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Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by nine_zeros »

dvtrn wrote: post #42
solarkraft wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> even if you're a nationalist Not if you're a racist, though.

Is this being greyed down because folks just don’t want to consider the possibility that straight up racism might be just as much a part of this or did it touch a nerve for some parties who saw themselves getting called out?

> Is this being greyed down because folks just don’t want to consider the possibility that straight up racism might be just as much a part of this?

There are folks on HN who are either covertly racist or simply delusional that their thoughts about policies come from some other place besides racism.

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by ixtli »

m0zg wrote: post #46

As a former H1-B: makes sense. H1-B is abused a lot, and importing new entry-level workers when unemployment is at record highs after COVID makes zero sense. Although I'm sure Hawaiian judge will disagree.

Stopping workers coming in from one place isn’t about making sure Americans have jobs tho. It doesn’t magically change the cost of rent. It doesn’t magically educate the uneducated. Nor should it. This is about being able to report to middle class white people that ‘immigration stopped’.

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by gorbachev15 »

awillen wrote: post #22
Forgeties79 wrote: post #4

This has gotten very old very fast (beyond the obvious cruelty). I have several friends who keep watching their colleagues just have to up and leave over this and it’s causing a ton of issues for businesses that employ folks on work visas in general. It’s just disruptive to be disruptive/feed the base.

It's just silly... even if you're a nationalist, isn't the prospect of bringing over talented people from foreign countries to work in America and help our companies profit plus deprive their home countries of their skills a really, really good thing?

As a nationalist, I think it would be better for those other countries to keep their skilled workers and so benefit. I think every nation has a right to its own existence, space, and policies. And they also get to decide what's right for them 'as a people'. Always optimizing for performance of 'the economy' is not in the best interest of the actual citizens of this country.

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by consz »

retortio wrote: post #33
godzillabrennus wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If Facebook/twitter/google wanted to play with fire they could use their platformS to basically vanquish the GOP. Those three companies control a significant amount of what people see online.

Hooray for a few corporations controlling almost everything we see online! It's ok because it's "my side" that has the power! Principles be damned, life is a power grab and I'm on the winning side, yippee! This will never turn out badly for me or anyone else in the future!

Using a tool available to you is not bad just because it would be bad if the other side could also use it.

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by ckaygusu »

armada651 wrote: post #20
dx87 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the article: The order is not expected to immediately affect anyone already in the United States.

Visa holders already in the US still need to renew their Visa. If this order also suspends renewals then people are going to get kicked out of the country.

You don't get kicked out because lack of visa. For people in country in status, effect of this would be the inability to get back into US if one leaves.

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by tomohawk »

Forgeties79 wrote: post #4

This has gotten very old very fast (beyond the obvious cruelty). I have several friends who keep watching their colleagues just have to up and leave over this and it’s causing a ton of issues for businesses that employ folks on work visas in general. It’s just disruptive to be disruptive/feed the base.

Instead of H1B, we should be issuing green cards and limiting the amount of leverage that companies have over workers.

Eliminate H1B and expand green cards for skilled people who want to live here.

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by dx87 »

awillen wrote: post #22
Forgeties79 wrote: post #4

This has gotten very old very fast (beyond the obvious cruelty). I have several friends who keep watching their colleagues just have to up and leave over this and it’s causing a ton of issues for businesses that employ folks on work visas in general. It’s just disruptive to be disruptive/feed the base.

It's just silly... even if you're a nationalist, isn't the prospect of bringing over talented people from foreign countries to work in America and help our companies profit plus deprive their home countries of their skills a really, really good thing?

If H-1B visas were being used how they were intended, they would be a good thing, but we often see them used as a way to get cheap labor, or even directly replace American workers. The company I work at has H-1B junior web developers, hardly "very niche, hard to fill" positions that they can't find any qualified Americans to do.

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by retortio »

H1-B was intended for highly skilled workers that the US had a real shortage of. But now it's just being abused to bring in captive workers that are willing to accept lower wages and worse working conditions than otherwise while crowding out US workers.

What if, instead of bowing to corporate greed which cares not a bit for our country or our people, we actually invested in our own population and trained them to do the jobs H1-B workers currently do.

Scaling back H1-B in this way is the common sense approach. And it benefits other countries too by reducing brain drain.

It's a win-win.

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by tinyhouse »

jpollock wrote: post #34
tinyhouse wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My educated guess is that the majority of this year's H-1B are already in the US. I wonder what it would mean for them.

This year's H1-Bs don't start until October 1st, and they can't enter the US "early". https://redbus2us.com/h1b-visa-petition-filing-deadline-is-i... .

Not sure I'm following. I know about Oct and that people overseas who got H1-B this year won't be able to enter. But many who got H1-B this year are already in the US (working on OPT, L1, etc) so they don't need to enter the country, they are just changing their visa status.
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