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Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by zerr »

SomeoneFromCA wrote: post #336
codelord wrote: post #313

Disclaimer: I'm an immigrant. There are companies like Cognizant/InfoSys/Tata/... whose business model is based on abusing the H1B system, and that's obviously wrong and I'm quite surprised they get away with it. I'm not defending that. To those who broadly argue against skilled visas, consider this: Most H1B immigrants are between 20-30 age range. The prime age to join the workforce. Think how much investment you ha…

It is very strange that people in this comment section shout "nationalism, BAD" when someone says that skilled people should stay in their own country and potentially help these countries to grow out of poverty, and statements like the one you just made - essentially rob these country of talented people and bring them into US - is somehow not nationalistic and good.

What we forget is actually an individual - relocation is a basic human right. There should be no lottery of birth.

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by ojbyrne »

hourislate wrote: post #220
samfisher83 wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can look at the data, SV companies aren't paying H1B people low wages. Unless you think 200-300k is low wages.

SV isn't the only place you find H1B's. Everyone from Toyota, AA, Sabre, etc in the DFW area has hired what seems like 1000's. There is hardly anyone but H1B's at Toyota in Plano from what I understand. I have heard some companies are laying of permanent staff and keeping H1B's because they're less expensive. Personal experience in my part of the world seems to suggest that it is cost. Permanent employees are expensi…

As pointed out in other threads, H1B data is public. There's precisely 1 H1B in Plano, TX: https://h1bdata.info/index.php?em=&job=&city=PLANO.TX&year=A...

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by kiliantics »

gorbachev15 wrote: post #134
ChristianBundy wrote: post #90

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Why are you a nationalist?

I think each nation[0] should be entitled to make decisions for themselves and have a right to run their state the way they see fit. I wouldn't presume to move to, say, Japan and then start telling them that they're doing things wrong. [0] https://www.etymonline.com/word/nation

What if they moved to Japan because of an opportunity provided by a Japanese organisation that needed their skills, and then they spent enough time there that they had buy in to the community and were a recognised member in it and were valued by that community?

I don't think this is too hard to imagine applying to a person living long term in Japan and definitely not hard to imagine in the US, where there are no true "Americans" in the first place, apart from maybe the indigenous peoples.

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by pnako »

on_and_off wrote: post #169
retortio wrote: post #59

H1-B was intended for highly skilled workers that the US had a real shortage of. But now it's just being abused to bring in captive workers that are willing to accept lower wages and worse working conditions than otherwise while crowding out US workers. What if, instead of bowing to corporate greed which cares not a bit for our country or our people, we actually invested in our own population and trained them to do t…

I came to the USA on an H1B visa 2 years ago. On a high salary and with the promise of being sponsored for a green card. I got my green card just before covid impacted the USA and still have a pretty high salary (in the same range of my US born colleagues). I already had a great job in my home country, I was not going to come to the USA to be paid a pittance. Yeah, there is abuse of the green card system but it is in…

There is an issue with 'diversity in tech' and, among other things, under-representation of African-Americans in STEM.

So why are the big tech corporations that are constantly virtue signalling about Black Lives Matter and social justice not simply training American engineers (not specifically black, but people coming from poor socioeconomic backgrounds, which would definitely include many African-Americans). Why do they bring Indian or Chinese engineers?

America does not lack people, it has good universities. It could certainly train a local workforce. Providing good jobs to those communities would do wonders to reduce criminality, drug abuse and various issues.

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by x87678r »

progers7 wrote: post #366
x87678r wrote: post #268

Reminder of the top H1B employers. Its not about high tech workers in SV. https://www.h1bdata.org/employers Employer Name Employees Hired (All Years) Infosys Limited 182,945 Tata Consultancy Services Limited 102,722 Deloitte Consulting Llp 65,976 Wipro Limited 63,354 Accenture Llp 51,360 Ibm India Private Limited 47,839 Capgemini America Inc 40,954 Microsoft Corporation 40,828 Ernst Young Us Llp 38,631 Cognizant Tech…

This is for all years, but the numbers for 2019 seem to indicate SV will be affected: https://www.myvisajobs.com/Reports/2019-H1B-Visa-Sponsor.asp... Google is #8. Amazon, Facebook, Apple are in the top 20. I don't know how accurate this list is, but I am worried for my colleagues.

Actually that site is interesting, if you add up the Bay Area it would be the #1 region. https://www.myvisajobs.com/Reports/2019-H1B-Visa-Category.as...

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by baddox »

gruez wrote: post #389
baddox wrote: post #353

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How does preventing a legal employee from visiting home and returning to the US help anyone who happened to be born in the US? It serves absolutely no purpose except to be cruel and to satisfy people in this country who enjoy cruelty towards immigrants.

>How does preventing a legal employee from visiting home and returning to the US help anyone who happened to be born in the US From a pure economics view: it does because it constrains the supply of labor. Sure, many (most?) people would probably stay and not not go back, but there's always going to be a few who do go back. That constrains the labor supply, which in theory will raise the price of labor for everyone s…

Sure, it “constrains the labor supply” by making people choose their livelihood over visiting their family. I think that very obviously qualifies as cruelty.

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by harshalizee »

gruez wrote: post #389
baddox wrote: post #353

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does preventing a legal employee from visiting home and returning to the US help anyone who happened to be born in the US? It serves absolutely no purpose except to be cruel and to satisfy people in this country who enjoy cruelty towards immigrants.

>How does preventing a legal employee from visiting home and returning to the US help anyone who happened to be born in the US From a pure economics view: it does because it constrains the supply of labor. Sure, many (most?) people would probably stay and not not go back, but there's always going to be a few who do go back. That constrains the labor supply, which in theory will raise the price of labor for everyone s…

That makes no sense at all. A employee visits his home country on vacation, now information to return causes problem for both the individual and the employer, especially if that person is in a critical role and now unable to do their job.

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by 2ion »

fzeroracer wrote: post #363
koolba wrote: post #315

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> So many people here are celebrating this order due to its supposed abstract benefits but are somehow unaware of the its cruelty. To be blunt, a nation's citizens and permanent residents' rights to economic prosperity outweigh any temporary worker's right to continued employment. Yes it may be viewed as cruel in the individual case, but the point of these visas are not to provide a vehicle for those workers to come…

Oh come on. Part of the reason why we're facing these job losses and high unemployment rate is because our administration fucked up hard managing the coronavirus and now they're looking for easy wins and scapegoats so people can blame the big bad other rather than the people responsible. The fact that you're defending their cruelty because of the economy (that they fucked up!) is immensely disappointing.

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Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by braindead_in »

codelord wrote: post #355
SomeoneFromCA wrote: post #336

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is very strange that people in this comment section shout "nationalism, BAD" when someone says that skilled people should stay in their own country and potentially help these countries to grow out of poverty, and statements like the one you just made - essentially rob these country of talented people and bring them into US - is somehow not nationalistic and good.

I left my country to escape a totalitarian regime. I think just because you are born in a place doesn't mean you have the responsibility to completely sacrifice your life. Humans collectively have an obligation to help lift poor countries out of poverty. The question is are you against immigration because you genuinely care about the poverty in my country?

Calling the Indian Government a totalitarian regime is stretching it a bit too much. India is still a paradise of liberty compared to China and some other countries in our region. Indians want H1B because they want to earn in dollars, plain and simple. All other reasons are secondary. H1B is modern-day bonded labor. You guys are the sugar slaves of this age, like it or not.

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Post by [deleted] »

MVorlm wrote: post #361
armada651 wrote: post #302

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As an H1 all your authorizations are tied to your Visa in some way. They may not expire at the same time, but if you have no way of acquiring a new visa (which under this suspension, you don't) you're in trouble whether you leave the country or not. > You are still conflating legal status and visa in an improper way. I am and you should speak to your immigration lawyer if your visa is expiring.

This is incorrect information. H1B "Status" and H1B "Visa" are two separate things. A common immigration path is F1(Student) -> OPT -> H1B Status. If the person was already in the US(because they're going to a US college) then they would be given H1B status(read: no visa). Getting a H1B visa from the US consulate would be required IFF they: 1) Weren't already in the US, 2) Need to leave and reenter the US. If the per…

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