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Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Simple solution - auction off the H1B visas. This will ensure only the most needed, highest-value employees get it. Works with any number of visas. I fail to see why this easy, simple fix that also earns money for the government is not applied.

Because then no small company can compete with the big ones in the auction...

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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All H1B salaries are public: https://h1bdata.info/ It's possible (maybe even likely) that title deflation is happening, but based on my experience the salaries are definitely in line with the pay ranges for each job title (I worked at Amazon for 3 and a half years, so I have some first and second hand information on pay.) If nothing else it's a great resource to see the unfiltered payscale at SV companies.

Thanks for the data. I see comments across threads on HN that say that H1-B hires are common. What is the incentive to hire them then? Are professionals in the US really that ill-equipped? I guess there is a bit of cognitive dissonance with FAANG complaining about no qualified workers but then FAANG only hired people who went to Stanford or Harvard and such.

I worked at two FAANG companies and my degree is from the University of Arizona. I only met a few people there whose degrees were from elite schools. Where do you get the impression that they only hire people from Stanford and Harvard?

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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Indeed, a friend offered to introduce me to a lawyer who would help me hire H-1Bs instead of similarly qualified residents. The gist was you have to figure out the unique qualities of the person you want to hire, and then construct interviews for the required X candidates such that these other candidates would not be as qualified across these trumped up unique qualifications / skills.

How much are companies expecting to save by going this route? Is it dramatic?

There seems to be a mix. Which is part of the problem with the national debate / conversation.

There are companies who found the absolute best in the world that they have to have. So they need that H1-B to get the job done and hire the best person.

Then there are companies who just want to contract out super cheap labor, so they do thousands of H1-B applications hoping a few hundred make it through, then the they charge a local rate, but pay the employee a fraction and reap the profits.

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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This has gotten very old very fast (beyond the obvious cruelty). I have several friends who keep watching their colleagues just have to up and leave over this and it’s causing a ton of issues for businesses that employ folks on work visas in general. It’s just disruptive to be disruptive/feed the base.

Instead of H1B, we should be issuing green cards and limiting the amount of leverage that companies have over workers. Eliminate H1B and expand green cards for skilled people who want to live here.

Agreed. H1B is just a front for immigration anyway. US Companies and the government should probably stop lying to themselves. If they want to bring over talented workers, give them rights too.

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It's just silly... even if you're a nationalist, isn't the prospect of bringing over talented people from foreign countries to work in America and help our companies profit plus deprive their home countries of their skills a really, really good thing?

Those people don't think foreigners are as skilled as their own. This is hard to unwind after decades of American Dream and USA #1 propaganda

haha, it's not propaganda. it is truth. USA is still #1 destination thus nobody is unwinding anything. the brain drain is real.

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It's just silly... even if you're a nationalist, isn't the prospect of bringing over talented people from foreign countries to work in America and help our companies profit plus deprive their home countries of their skills a really, really good thing?

Those people don't think foreigners are as skilled as their own. This is hard to unwind after decades of American Dream and USA #1 propaganda

I had seen lots of H1B foreigners while myself worked in US, for couple of years. Most of them were brought not even H1B but on B1 Visa or J1, were employed illegally and produced bad code.

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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You need a Visa one way or the other to stay in the US as an alien. Besides even if you weren't kicked out, how are you going to make a living without a work authorization? Overstaying your Visa is illegal. I know ICE isn't going to knock on your door right away, but it's going to negatively affect future Visa applications (visiting also requires a Visa).

It’s just nitpicking but visa in US immigration parlance is only a tool for entry to the country. Work authorization and visa are not technically same. You can stay in the country legally even with expired visa (the one pasted in the passport) but with work authorization approval documents extending the same visa category or another category.

These differences are academic at best, yes there are options open when your Visa expires, but they're all intentionally very bad options. No tech company will want to keep you on their payroll without a Visa for any extended period of time.

You're better off leaving the country because life without a Visa will be difficult and will eventually result in your arrest when your I-94 expires.

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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You don't get kicked out because lack of visa. For people in country in status, effect of this would be the inability to get back into US if one leaves.

You need a Visa one way or the other to stay in the US as an alien. Besides even if you weren't kicked out, how are you going to make a living without a work authorization? Overstaying your Visa is illegal. I know ICE isn't going to knock on your door right away, but it's going to negatively affect future Visa applications (visiting also requires a Visa).

> You need a Visa one way or the other to stay in the US as an alien

No - you need to maintain status, not visa. For H-1 workers and F-1 students, staying on expired visa is quite common and legal - as long as they do the paperwork to maintain their status.

If they leave the US to visit another country while maintaining a legal status, then they cannot return without applying for the visa.

For H-1 workers and students, a visa is only relevant for border crossings.

Re: Executive order expected to suspend H-1B, other visas until end of year

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My educated guess is that the majority of this year's H-1B are already in the US. I wonder what it would mean for them.

This year's H1-Bs don't start until October 1st, and they can't enter the US "early". https://redbus2us.com/h1b-visa-petition-filing-deadline-is-i... .

Many/most such people are in the US and already working under something called OPT. They have a timeline where they can work under OPT, and they need to get a conversion to H1-B status before their OPT expires.

So if they were approved in April, and the OPT doesn't expire before October, they can keep working and simply switch to H1-B status in October.

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It's just silly... even if you're a nationalist, isn't the prospect of bringing over talented people from foreign countries to work in America and help our companies profit plus deprive their home countries of their skills a really, really good thing?

“Nationalism” in the US is about using fictive in-groups to inflict pain on others. There’s no rational calculation. It’s just about demonstrating the in-group’s ability exert power over out-groups.

lol! I'll never understand where these people's pessimism comes from.
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