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Re: Mozilla VPN

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"For example, over 70% of early Beta-testers say that the VPN helps them feel empowered, safe, and independent while being online." What have these "feelings" got to do with anything? This is a measure of successful marketing and has nothing to do with the product or its efficacy. Personally I use Windscribe and I really like it (I've used PIA & Mullvad in the past). I use it for watching US Netflix and to make it sl…

People buy on emotions

Re: Mozilla VPN

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Every single time I start researching VPN services I end up more confused and with more questions than before because basically every vouched service has the same amount of negative comments too. Like feels like the whole sector is a honeypot (lol) of shady stuff and also they figthing against each other (or not?). So I just wait until when turns out Mullvad is also one of the bad guys.

Ask yourself why you want a VPN. Is it to avoid your ISP collecting browsing data off you and selling it? Perhaps using 8.8.8.8 or 1.1.1.1 as your DNS might be good enough. Is it to watch geo region blocked videos? Then pretty much any service will work for you. Except that video streaming sites have caught on and blocked hosting provider IP blocks. So that might require you to shop around. Do you want the most priva…

> Is it to avoid your ISP collecting browsing data off you and selling it? Perhaps using 8.8.8.8 or 1.1.1.1 as your DNS might be good enough.

8.8.8.8 is Google’s DNS so you’re really just trading being tracked by an ISP to a giant advertising company...

Re: Mozilla VPN

#53

> At Mozilla, we are working hard to build products to help you control of your privacy and stay safe online. > We know that we are on the right path to building a VPN that makes your online experience safer Commercial VPNs are good for censorship circumvention or location spoofing. It is irresponsible to market VPNs as something which “protects” you online. In reality, they do nothing to improve security, and very l…

The "Don't use VPN services" argument is weak because it doesn't acknowledge one of the most common reasons for using a VPN: avoiding DMCA notices.

Re: Mozilla VPN

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Forget the VPN--I already have a VPN provider and I have no interest in changing. Offer a paid e-mail service, on the other hand, and I'd sign on up Day 1.

This right here. And a hosted suite of productivity tools that have documented, public formats that contain all of your data (and not just a link to the cloud-hosted copies). Amazing that GSuite's only real competitor in 2020 in Office365.

Would a Nextcloud instance work?

Re: Mozilla VPN

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It's a rebranding of Mullvad. I'm happy with Mullvad itself, and while I think Firefox is the most important browser I'm not very happy about Mozilla arguably destroying its brand and seemingly pivoting away from maintaining it. I'd directly pay for the development of FF, but not Mozilla's "btw, we now sell $completely_unrelated_product_without_even_an_ethical_business_model". They seem to be relatively safe from for…

You say that, but not enough people do directly pay for the development of Firefox. Of course, you are welcome to donate to the Mozilla Foundation.

Also, your complaint about an ethical business model seems unfounded, especially in this instance.

Re: Mozilla VPN

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post #45

"For example, over 70% of early Beta-testers say that the VPN helps them feel empowered, safe, and independent while being online." What have these "feelings" got to do with anything? This is a measure of successful marketing and has nothing to do with the product or its efficacy. Personally I use Windscribe and I really like it (I've used PIA & Mullvad in the past). I use it for watching US Netflix and to make it sl…

People buy on emotions

... and sell!

Re: Mozilla VPN

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post #45

"For example, over 70% of early Beta-testers say that the VPN helps them feel empowered, safe, and independent while being online." What have these "feelings" got to do with anything? This is a measure of successful marketing and has nothing to do with the product or its efficacy. Personally I use Windscribe and I really like it (I've used PIA & Mullvad in the past). I use it for watching US Netflix and to make it sl…

I think "feeling" safe is an important component of a product. Of course the product has to also be effective, but if it's effective and people still don't trust it, then they won't use it. A good example of a similar situation is in the US military where we had to do yearly chemical weapons training that involved putting on a gas mask in a room filled with tear gas. The gas masks were already proven to work, but one purpose of the training was to make sure people trusted their equipment to keep them safe, making it more likely for them to use it when needed.

Re: Mozilla VPN

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post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It goes w/o saying but most if not all the cloud providers map IP to account, so using a VPS may have get your account sanctioned or revoked. Defiantly don't spin up these VPN/VPSs on an account you don't mind losing.

Have received DMCA emails from DigitalOcean for torrenting on their boxes. Can confirm.

There are seedbox services that allow public torrents and don't forward DMCA emails.

Re: Mozilla VPN

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Want to do something illegal? Don't expect a VPN to save you. I'm not condoning piracy, but VPNs are generally a foolproof way to avoid DMCA letters from your ISP. Privacy means something different to every individual, everyone's threat model is different. And many models can benefit from a VPN; journalists, activists, and many others might find benefit from using a VPN.

Are DMCA letters still a thing? It seems like Torrenting died out significantly over the last 5 years.

Can't wait for the "you don't need a VPN" folks to acknowledge that they don't understand why lots of people actually use VPNs. It's DMCA, man. DMCA.

Re: Mozilla VPN

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post #45

"For example, over 70% of early Beta-testers say that the VPN helps them feel empowered, safe, and independent while being online." What have these "feelings" got to do with anything? This is a measure of successful marketing and has nothing to do with the product or its efficacy. Personally I use Windscribe and I really like it (I've used PIA & Mullvad in the past). I use it for watching US Netflix and to make it sl…

This is marketing copy. Criticizing it for being marketing copy is surely a little redundant. Besides, feelings matter. If the majority of VPN users felt that the security provided by the VPN was not worth the effort involved in using then that would indicate a failed product. Ignore that at your peril.
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