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Re: Mozilla VPN

#31
What good is a VPN if you have to reveal all of your personally identifiable information to the vendor?

You're better off using Mullvad directly--it looks like they don't require you to fork over personal information to use their service.

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Re: Mozilla VPN

#32
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> promote legal views that Mozilla disagrees with How would they know?

The parent is transparently concern trolling so it's not worth engaging with, but to answer your question it's important to remember that VPN providers have access to all of your traffic. Even if you use HTTPS and other encrypted standards you can probably infer a lot of personal information about a user by just monitoring when and where they connect to. It's even arguably a bit worse than an ISP because any given in…

I know this, I only asked because Mozilla, like most other VPN providers, promise not to snoop on your traffic, so OP's concern boils down to "but what if they're lying?", and you could ask that about virtually any service.

Re: Mozilla VPN

#33

Isn’t $4.99 pricey for a VPN? I pay about 3 for Nord.

It is a bit pricey compared to the competition (lots of VPNs out there that cost ~$3/month) but apparently Mullvad is the VPN provider for this offering, and they cost $5 a month because they are considered one of the 'best' VPNs in terms of privacy (for example, they will accept cash payments: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mullvad#Privacy ).

Re: Mozilla VPN

#34

Isn’t $4.99 pricey for a VPN? I pay about 3 for Nord.

Price is in line with Mullvad which they are piggybacking off of. Nord has an iffy past and they advertise a lot(often exaggerated claims) which is a red flag for me.

Re: Mozilla VPN

#35

How do we know this is safe from bad actors? If it's in the U.S. is it safe from discovery? For example Watchtower tried to use 'copyright Infringement' to force reddit to give a usernames IP and account information. https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLkdgWccrJAy53-jeBxM3Pk_... VPN's are the only way of protecting what should be protected speech. You have to not keep logs or anything that allows a court to find the…

> How do we know this is safe from bad actors?

You don't. You never will. This is the case not just for Mozilla but for all VPN services.

Until there's some kind of hardware-level attestation that verifies a server is running a particular software installation, that's going to remain the case.

> VPN's are the only way of protecting what should be protected speech.

No, if you want safety, a VPN is not the solution. VPN providers have invested a lot of marketing in trying to tell you otherwise but it's simply not true.

All a VPN does is move what little trust you're forced to have in your ISP to a different, often less-regulated ISP.

The solution if you want privacy and/or anonymity is a technology built for that purpose, like Tor or I2P.

Re: Mozilla VPN

#36
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Ask yourself why you want a VPN. Is it to avoid your ISP collecting browsing data off you and selling it? Perhaps using 8.8.8.8 or 1.1.1.1 as your DNS might be good enough. Is it to watch geo region blocked videos? Then pretty much any service will work for you. Except that video streaming sites have caught on and blocked hosting provider IP blocks. So that might require you to shop around. Do you want the most priva…

>Want to do something illegal? Don't expect a VPN to save you. I'm not condoning piracy, but VPNs are generally a foolproof way to avoid DMCA letters from your ISP. Privacy means something different to every individual, everyone's threat model is different. And many models can benefit from a VPN; journalists, activists, and many others might find benefit from using a VPN.

Are DMCA letters still a thing?

It seems like Torrenting died out significantly over the last 5 years.

Re: Mozilla VPN

#37
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Every single time I start researching VPN services I end up more confused and with more questions than before because basically every vouched service has the same amount of negative comments too. Like feels like the whole sector is a honeypot (lol) of shady stuff and also they figthing against each other (or not?). So I just wait until when turns out Mullvad is also one of the bad guys.

I use ProtonVPN. Same company as ProtonMail. Highly reputable with a business model around doing privacy and encryption well.

IMHO ProtonVPN (and Mail) are the perfect honeypots

Re: Mozilla VPN

#38
> At Mozilla, we are working hard to build products to help you control of your privacy and stay safe online.

> We know that we are on the right path to building a VPN that makes your online experience safer

Commercial VPNs are good for censorship circumvention or location spoofing. It is irresponsible to market VPNs as something which “protects” you online. In reality, they do nothing to improve security, and very little to improve privacy.

You do not need a VPN.

https://gist.github.com/joepie91/5a9909939e6ce7d09e29

https://schub.io/blog/2019/04/08/very-precarious-narrative.h...

Re: Mozilla VPN

#39
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It's less flexible than Mullvad. This new service is Wireguard-only, and as far as I can tell, requires you to use their custom app. Mullvad additionally supports OpenVPN and other protocols, and is client-agnostic.

> Wireguard-only That's great - less features and options are a plus for vpn services. > requires you to use their custom app. Sounds odd, if it's just using wireguard.

Might be opinionated to support a high quality user experience.

Guard rails can be good depending on your audience.

Re: Mozilla VPN

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ask yourself why you want a VPN. Is it to avoid your ISP collecting browsing data off you and selling it? Perhaps using 8.8.8.8 or 1.1.1.1 as your DNS might be good enough. Is it to watch geo region blocked videos? Then pretty much any service will work for you. Except that video streaming sites have caught on and blocked hosting provider IP blocks. So that might require you to shop around. Do you want the most priva…

>Want to do something illegal? Don't expect a VPN to save you. I'm not condoning piracy, but VPNs are generally a foolproof way to avoid DMCA letters from your ISP. Privacy means something different to every individual, everyone's threat model is different. And many models can benefit from a VPN; journalists, activists, and many others might find benefit from using a VPN.

It goes w/o saying but most if not all the cloud providers map IP to account, so using a VPS may have get your account sanctioned or revoked.

Defiantly don't spin up these VPN/VPSs on an account you don't mind losing.

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