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Post by deathgrips »

vkou wrote: post #81
pixelpoet wrote: post #60

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Defunding police because of police brutality is swallowing a spider to catch the fly. You do NOT want to live in a place without police. I think it would be much more productive and realistic to have a really deep study of how policing in America is different from other countries, and what can be done to normalise it. America is pretty gun crazy, and that doesn't make a cop's life any easier. The flip side of that is…

> Defunding police because of police brutality is swallowing a spider to catch the fly. You do NOT want to live in a place without police. False dichotomy. You can defund the police, by not sending armed, militarized police to do the bullshit parts of their jobs, while still responding to violent incidents. For 99% of police calls, you don't need an armed gunman to show up. Of the 1% that you currently do, more often…

In the UK if police need guns on scene, they clear the area and call a specialized sharpshooter team.

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Post by winrid »

simonebrunozzi wrote: post #191
spike021 wrote: post #170

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>This is Ba Sing Se levels of delusion for some people. A reference I never expected to see on HN. It's insane, but then you realize that a significant portion of the US population _still_ only watches television news media and refuses to spend extra time looking at other sources, like Twitter.

Neither you or the parent poster explained what "Ba Sing Se" is. I quickly discovered that it is a reference to a city in "The last Airbender" [0]. I don't want to watch three seasons of it just to understand the reference. A very obscure reference might deserve an explanation to make the remaining 99.9% of the readers able to understand what you mean. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avatar:_The_Last_Airbender#Ba_…

It's a city where the entire population lives in ignorance of a global 100-year war, due to corruption in the government (even king does not know).

https://avatar.fandom.com/wiki/Conspiracy_of_Ba_Sing_Se

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Post by Kiro »

spike021 wrote: post #170
DeonPenny wrote: post #65

The fact that is even possible is insane. Imagine there being over 700 videos of pilots messing up in one month, 700 crane operator mishaps in a month, 700+ food poising by a chain in a month. The also imagine you believe there's no problem. This is Ba Sing Se levels of delusion for some people.

>This is Ba Sing Se levels of delusion for some people. A reference I never expected to see on HN. It's insane, but then you realize that a significant portion of the US population _still_ only watches television news media and refuses to spend extra time looking at other sources, like Twitter.

Why unexpected? The Last Airbender is as mainstream as NCIS today.

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Post by deathgrips »

kipchak wrote: post #78
Miner49er wrote: post #58

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The police have never done anything for me, and I can't think of a time they've done anything for anyone I know. I don't really see how they are heros. I can't even think of things they regularly do that can be called heroic? I know they do some good stuff, but nothing that comes close to the level of "hero" in my opinion. Firefighters, EMTs, nurses, and doctors are all examples of actual heros, IMO.

Isn't being the stick that causes laws to have meaning a good thing? A law is only words unless there's someone who will inflict a penalty if you don't follow it.

The police make a mockery of the law because they get away with murder. Protesters want reasonable laws enforced for everyone regardless of race or profession.

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Post by ardy42 »

deathgrips wrote: post #167
marcell wrote: post #145

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Huh? I didn't say racism isn't real, and I also didn't say cops aren't tear gassing reporters in the face. GP questioned how a profession can exist when it makes so many deadly mistakes. I pointed out that there is another profession, medicine, which also makes lots of deadly mistakes. Some are accidental oversights, but you can also do some searches and find some really bad medical errors. [1] but you can find lots…

Statistics are useless because almost all police misconduct goes unreported. Police departments are designed to make oversight impossible.

> Statistics are useless because almost all police misconduct goes unreported.

This is true, and these videos help show that. There are more and more cases being uncovered where the police blatantly lied about their own misconduct in official reports. For instance, the police claimed the the Buffalo protester fell when video shows the police pushed him over, and the police report for the killing of George Floyd made no mention of holding him down by the neck. If there hadn't been video, I doubt either of those two incidents would have been counted in police misconduct statistics.

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Post by TomMarius »

riffraff wrote: post #199
baddox wrote: post #103

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Quite the opposite. The adversarial job should have higher standards of conduct, not lower.

But the comment wasn't saying the behaviour is fine, just that the job is more likely to produce this sort of content. Even countries with less violent police corps often have episodes like this. To keep it out of political rallies, just think of police vs hooligans in Europe.

Or police vs tekno dancers (remember CzechTek 2005?)

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Post by [deleted] »

simonebrunozzi wrote: post #191
spike021 wrote: post #170

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>This is Ba Sing Se levels of delusion for some people. A reference I never expected to see on HN. It's insane, but then you realize that a significant portion of the US population _still_ only watches television news media and refuses to spend extra time looking at other sources, like Twitter.

Neither you or the parent poster explained what "Ba Sing Se" is. I quickly discovered that it is a reference to a city in "The last Airbender" [0]. I don't want to watch three seasons of it just to understand the reference. A very obscure reference might deserve an explanation to make the remaining 99.9% of the readers able to understand what you mean. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avatar:_The_Last_Airbender#Ba_…

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Post by mjfl »

deathgrips wrote: post #189
mjfl wrote: post #158

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honestly the whole "being a police officer is not even a dangerous job" is really non-intuitive, which probably means it's wrong. Being a police officer is a dangerous job, but through thorough training and institutional experience, they've managed to lean how to keep themselves safe in actively dangerous situations. Landscapers and truck drivers never have to wrestle a large, non-compliant man into handcuffs or talk…

>Software engineers who sit on their computers all day and try to backseat drive on these issues should probably be dragged into the streets and set on fire. Congratulations, I think you're qualified to be a cop.

You can't get rid of me by defunding the cops though.

Re: George Floyd Protest – police brutality videos on Twitter

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Post by slg »

marcell wrote: post #195
slg wrote: post #172

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That medical error study is awful. It categorizes any treatment that is given but doesn't work as an error. That only makes sense in a world in which a correct treatment that could cure a patient always exists and that correct option should be known ahead of time by the people treating the patient. Reality doesn't work like that. Here[1] is a write up on the issues in that study. [1] - https://www.statnews.com/2016/0…

Sure, I think that's fair enough. I didn't mean to imply that there are 250,000 cases a year where a heart transplant is performed to cure pneumonia. But of those 250,000, some will be small mistake, and some will be epic fuck ups (see [1]). Similarly, the police shoot around 1,000 people per year. Of those, many are justified, some are are questionable, and a few are epic fuck ups. If you just look at the epic fuck…

>I didn't mean to imply that there are 250,000 cases a year where a heart transplant is performed to cure pneumonia.

Then why link to that study and specifically cite that 250,000 number?

One of the main differences with doctors is when they truly do have an epic fuck up they are personally sued and can potentially lose their medical license. How many of the epic fuck ups by police in the linked Google doc will lead to the officer being sued? How many will lead to them being forced to switch to a different profession? Why do we allow these police to epicly fuck up in ways that we don't allow other professions like doctors? Does tolerating these epic fuck ups among police make them more likely to epicly fuck up in the future?

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