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Post by user_0x »

baddox wrote: post #103
devcpp wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair you are comparing an adversarial job with a cooperative one. A crane operator won't feel unsafe, or confronted by someone he calls hostile. This is no excuse whatsoever for the multitude of outraging problems in the system, but the comparison isn't straightforward.

Quite the opposite. The adversarial job should have higher standards of conduct, not lower.

This is exactly how I think about the police issue in the US. If someone has more power, as in, they are allowed to carry guns and arrest people if they need to, then those people also cannot expect it to be a "normal" job where they matter more than who they are working with (the public).

The standards of conduct need to be draconially high, because a police officer has the power to ruin a person's life.

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Post by slg »

marcell wrote: post #131

There are lots and lots of mishaps in many professions, sometimes with deadly consequences. The United States is a country of 330 million people. Suppose an event is so unlikely it only has 1 in a billion chance of happening--it will happen once ever 4 days on average! Medical errors, for example, are estimated to cause as many as 250,000 deaths per year [1]. There are millions and millions of daily interactions betw…

That medical error study is awful. It categorizes any treatment that is given but doesn't work as an error. That only makes sense in a world in which a correct treatment that could cure a patient always exists and that correct option should be known ahead of time by the people treating the patient. Reality doesn't work like that. Here[1] is a write up on the issues in that study.

[1] - https://www.statnews.com/2016/05/09/medical-errors-deaths-bm...

Re: George Floyd Protest – police brutality videos on Twitter

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Post by deathgrips »

vlozko wrote: post #133
grey-area wrote: post #87

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You're probably mistaking police flash bangs for fireworks. These devices are completely inappropriate for crowd control, but routinely deployed by US police in the protests.

Very unlikely. Fireworks use against the police more common that you think. You’re just not going to see that many videos of them as it doesn’t help the narrative. A buddy of mine is a cop who had the unfortunate duty of being one of the riot police in my city and it’s not easy to keep your cool while having rocks, fireworks, and almost a Molotov cocktail tossed at you.

Don't dish out what you can't take. I've never seen an example of riots breaking out in a city before police instigate violence with rubber bullets and tear gas.

Also, if he can't keep his cool under those conditions, he has an obligation to change jobs because if he can't handle it he's just putting other people in danger.

Re: George Floyd Protest – police brutality videos on Twitter

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Post by TeaDrunk »

oh_sigh wrote: post #153
Miner49er wrote: post #58

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The police have never done anything for me, and I can't think of a time they've done anything for anyone I know. I don't really see how they are heros. I can't even think of things they regularly do that can be called heroic? I know they do some good stuff, but nothing that comes close to the level of "hero" in my opinion. Firefighters, EMTs, nurses, and doctors are all examples of actual heros, IMO.

Firefighters have never done anything for me, and I can't think of a time they've done anything for anyone I know. I don't really see how they are heros. I can't even think of things they regularly do that can be called heroic? I know they do some good stuff, but nothing that comes close to the level of "hero" in my opinion. They squirt water on hot stuff? Cool.

Firefighting is a job that actually has significant standards for licensing and criminal history.

They also don’t have a history of killing black people at 2.5x their usual rate of killing people. (They also by and large don’t kill people, in fact they’ve killed so few people there doesn’t exist case law that prevents liability of a firefighter for killing a person. Unlike cops.)

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Post by throw7373 »

deathgrips wrote: post #166
throw7373 wrote: post #151

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Look at Arab Spring, Kiev... 700 cases is very very low number in this situation. It could easily go to 100k deaths.

You're comparing protesting to open warfare.

100k is still within "riots" scale given the size of US.

But if someone complains about police brutality in this case, they have zero experience, probably never left their city or read a book.

Re: George Floyd Protest – police brutality videos on Twitter

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Post by Corrado »

p1necone wrote: post #3

It would be good to stick these videos somewhere where they can't be taken down.

This seems like the perfect place to use InterPlanetary File System (IPFS) (https://ipfs.io/). You can store and distribute files (including videos) using IPFS without worrying that someone could remove them. The only thing missing is a "UTube" front-end, and I'm not completely certain that there isn't already such a thing.

Maybe this type of project would be the thing that gets IPFS off the ground and exposing it to a more mainstream audience.

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Post by chillwaves »

brigandish wrote: post #126
ncallaway wrote: post #122

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I downvoted you because I live in a Seattle, and this question shows a ignorance of the facts: “Letting them take over entire city blocks as Seattle has done?”

A bare assertion followed by a bare refusal isn't much help. If you would instead provide some information, that would be a big help to all those of us who do not live in Seattle.

If the statement is not factual, what else is there to say?

All I know is Fox News has been caught photoshopping images and lying during their news broadcasts about these incidents.

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Post by triceratops »

mjfl wrote: post #158
js2 wrote: post #98

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It’s about 100 officers a year in the U.S. About half are homicides and the other half are car accidents on the job. It doesn’t rank in the top 10 most dangerous jobs (per capita) in the U.S. according to the BLS. The number of deaths will be much higher this year, at least double, due to COVID19 deaths. The job pays well and comes with a pension. It’s nearly impossible to get fired and if you do get fired, most offi…

honestly the whole "being a police officer is not even a dangerous job" is really non-intuitive, which probably means it's wrong. Being a police officer is a dangerous job, but through thorough training and institutional experience, they've managed to lean how to keep themselves safe in actively dangerous situations. Landscapers and truck drivers never have to wrestle a large, non-compliant man into handcuffs or talk…

Wouldn't landscapers and truck drivers also be trained to handle the most common dangerous situations in their respective occupations? Are they just more careless?

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Post by TeaDrunk »

throw7373 wrote: post #168
TeaDrunk wrote: post #161

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700 cases of police brutality is indeed less than 100k deaths caused by authoritarian dictatorship. As a democratic country we’re trying to avoid it with peaceful organization and protest, but our law enforcement keeps violating our constitutional rights.

Ok, look how France or Greece deals with riots. Water canoons, tear gas, rubber bullets, internet shutdown, checkpoints on every city block... 700 cases is very low number. edit: my answers for posts bellow I used countries with nation wide riots in recent internet age. US is not Norway! America is full of radicals and happy trigger rednecks. If anything France has special anti riot units, trained to use non lethal f…

Yeah that’s all police brutality. I’m glad that in America our law enforcement hasn’t dove to the level of shutting off our internet, but they’ve definitely used water canons, rubber bullets, and tear gas on peaceful citizens executing their constitutional rights. I’m glad that we as a people find that even our relatively low recorded cases internationally of over 700 filmed videos of police brutality nationwide within the span of 3 weeks is totally and utterly unacceptable to such a peaceful country as ours. I hope we can further reduce this number over time!

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Post by truthwhisperer »

DeonPenny wrote: post #65

The fact that is even possible is insane. Imagine there being over 700 videos of pilots messing up in one month, 700 crane operator mishaps in a month, 700+ food poising by a chain in a month. The also imagine you believe there's no problem. This is Ba Sing Se levels of delusion for some people.

totally agree and if you go to your neighbourhoods you should be prepared for everything with those drug and amphetamine addicts.
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