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Post by TeaDrunk »

throw7373 wrote: post #151
TeaDrunk wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where I lived the police did nothing about the riots while they trapped protestors then threw chemical weapons at them...

Look at Arab Spring, Kiev... 700 cases is very very low number in this situation. It could easily go to 100k deaths.

700 cases of police brutality is indeed less than 100k deaths caused by authoritarian dictatorship. As a democratic country we’re trying to avoid it with peaceful organization and protest, but our law enforcement keeps violating our constitutional rights.

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Post by camillomiller »

devcpp wrote: post #93
DeonPenny wrote: post #65

The fact that is even possible is insane. Imagine there being over 700 videos of pilots messing up in one month, 700 crane operator mishaps in a month, 700+ food poising by a chain in a month. The also imagine you believe there's no problem. This is Ba Sing Se levels of delusion for some people.

To be fair you are comparing an adversarial job with a cooperative one. A crane operator won't feel unsafe, or confronted by someone he calls hostile. This is no excuse whatsoever for the multitude of outraging problems in the system, but the comparison isn't straightforward.

So just compare It to police officers in other Western countries...

Re: George Floyd Protest – police brutality videos on Twitter

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Post by camillomiller »

cm2187 wrote: post #134
devcpp wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair you are comparing an adversarial job with a cooperative one. A crane operator won't feel unsafe, or confronted by someone he calls hostile. This is no excuse whatsoever for the multitude of outraging problems in the system, but the comparison isn't straightforward.

And this document uses a very liberal definition of police brutality to say the least. In this document, a lot of references to "police arrests someone", "police pushes back a crowd or clears a street", etc...

Enjoy your alternative reality

Re: George Floyd Protest – police brutality videos on Twitter

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Post by TeaDrunk »

known wrote: post #157

There should be psychological evaluations of those in politics/judiciary/law enforcement https://archive.vn/YXDP8

I agree with the premise but unfortunately the mental health system in America is itself prone to abuse of patients and bigotry against patients. We need to be able to hold psychologists, nurses in psychiatric wards, psychiatrists, and other licensed mental health workers with a similar set of accountability if we are to hope that they can be useful filters.

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Post by ardy42 »

kingofpandora wrote: post #31
bufferoverflow wrote: post #27

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Is it out of control though? The police has 700K members in the US. Millions of daily interactions with people of all kinds. All you could find is 400 cases from ALL the years. And I guess the claim is brutality wasn't justified in every single case. In reality there are not 400 cases on that list, and in many cases the violence was justified. I'm not saying the police doesn't do wrong, they absolutely do. We have ex…

> Is it out of control though? The police has 700K members in the US. Millions of daily interactions with people of all kinds. All you could find is 400 cases from ALL the years. And I guess the claim is brutality wasn't justified in every single case. In reality there are not 400 cases on that list, and in many cases the violence was justified. 400 ... where there are videos. We know that until a video emerges these…

> 400 ... where there are videos. We know that until a video emerges these get swept under the rug, so I'm willing to bet that there are a fair few more than 400 examples of police brutality.

And those videos have uncovered many instances the the police blatantly lying about their own misconduct in official reports, which is further evidence that the videos are only the tip of the iceberg.

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Post by deathgrips »

throw7373 wrote: post #151
TeaDrunk wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where I lived the police did nothing about the riots while they trapped protestors then threw chemical weapons at them...

Look at Arab Spring, Kiev... 700 cases is very very low number in this situation. It could easily go to 100k deaths.

You're comparing protesting to open warfare.

Re: George Floyd Protest – police brutality videos on Twitter

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Post by deathgrips »

marcell wrote: post #145
SQueeeeeL wrote: post #137

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>It's important to be aware that what the media can be random, and media coverage is not always correlated with how important or prevalent a problem is. Oh cool, a guy on Hacker News cited a John's Hopkins article. Pack it up protestors, racism isn't real and cops aren't tear gasing reporters in the face!

Huh? I didn't say racism isn't real, and I also didn't say cops aren't tear gassing reporters in the face. GP questioned how a profession can exist when it makes so many deadly mistakes. I pointed out that there is another profession, medicine, which also makes lots of deadly mistakes. Some are accidental oversights, but you can also do some searches and find some really bad medical errors. [1] but you can find lots…

Statistics are useless because almost all police misconduct goes unreported. Police departments are designed to make oversight impossible.

Re: George Floyd Protest – police brutality videos on Twitter

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Post by throw7373 »

TeaDrunk wrote: post #161
throw7373 wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Look at Arab Spring, Kiev... 700 cases is very very low number in this situation. It could easily go to 100k deaths.

700 cases of police brutality is indeed less than 100k deaths caused by authoritarian dictatorship. As a democratic country we’re trying to avoid it with peaceful organization and protest, but our law enforcement keeps violating our constitutional rights.

Ok, look how France or Greece deals with riots. Water canoons, tear gas, rubber bullets, internet shutdown, checkpoints on every city block...

700 cases is very low number.

edit: my answers for posts bellow

I used countries with nation wide riots in recent internet age. US is not Norway! America is full of radicals and happy trigger rednecks.

If anything France has special anti riot units, trained to use non lethal force. US has militarized police, SWAT teams and national guards.

If you expect police to disperse crowd with zero violence, while bombarded with bricks and molotov coctails, you are out of your mind.

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Post by TeaDrunk »

mjfl wrote: post #158
js2 wrote: post #98

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It’s about 100 officers a year in the U.S. About half are homicides and the other half are car accidents on the job. It doesn’t rank in the top 10 most dangerous jobs (per capita) in the U.S. according to the BLS. The number of deaths will be much higher this year, at least double, due to COVID19 deaths. The job pays well and comes with a pension. It’s nearly impossible to get fired and if you do get fired, most offi…

honestly the whole "being a police officer is not even a dangerous job" is really non-intuitive, which probably means it's wrong. Being a police officer is a dangerous job, but through thorough training and institutional experience, they've managed to lean how to keep themselves safe in actively dangerous situations. Landscapers and truck drivers never have to wrestle a large, non-compliant man into handcuffs or talk…

If the police are so well trained how do we have 700 videos of police brutality within the span of maybe 3 weeks? Why do so many rapes go uninvestigated much less brought to trial?

Why is it legal for police to coerce people they’ve detained into sex in many states? Why does civil forfeiture exist? Why are police not legally obligated to 1) know the law, 2) protect people?

Re: George Floyd Protest – police brutality videos on Twitter

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Post by spike021 »

DeonPenny wrote: post #65

The fact that is even possible is insane. Imagine there being over 700 videos of pilots messing up in one month, 700 crane operator mishaps in a month, 700+ food poising by a chain in a month. The also imagine you believe there's no problem. This is Ba Sing Se levels of delusion for some people.

>This is Ba Sing Se levels of delusion for some people.

A reference I never expected to see on HN.

It's insane, but then you realize that a significant portion of the US population _still_ only watches television news media and refuses to spend extra time looking at other sources, like Twitter.

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