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Re: George Floyd Protest – police brutality videos on Twitter

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Post by danShumway »

boomboomsubban wrote: post #62
codygman wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Last time lists like this were posted, most of the links were false accusations, or just someone claiming something, with no way to know the truth. What last link posted consisted mostly of fakes? I must have missed it.

Looked at their post history, it's this. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23373619 A list of three, one of which is a video of a cop slashing a tire, another is a photo of another car in the lot with slashed tires, and the third is a journalist who had to pass the National Guard to find his tires slashed.

The irony here being that since that post was made, we've learned that the slashed tire report isn't fake. The Minnesota police ended up confirming it themselves once reporters contacted them.

https://www.npr.org/sections/live-updates-protests-for-racia...

Re: George Floyd Protest – police brutality videos on Twitter

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Post by MisterBastahrd »

chrisco255 wrote: post #38

It's worth noting hundreds of police officers lose their life a year in the line of duty: https://www.odmp.org/search/year and many more than that receive serious injuries, even permanent spinal damage: One cop was paralyzed from the neck down in Vegas protests: https://www.bostonherald.com/2020/06/14/police-officer-shot-... Retired police chief killed at 77 by looters in St. Louis: https://thehill.com/homenews/state…

Being a cop is less dangerous than being a pizza delivery driver, and pizza delivery guys don't get guaranteed pensions and a union to protect them when they purposefully beat the living crap out of someone because they had a bad day.

Re: George Floyd Protest – police brutality videos on Twitter

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Post by baddox »

devcpp wrote: post #93
DeonPenny wrote: post #65

The fact that is even possible is insane. Imagine there being over 700 videos of pilots messing up in one month, 700 crane operator mishaps in a month, 700+ food poising by a chain in a month. The also imagine you believe there's no problem. This is Ba Sing Se levels of delusion for some people.

To be fair you are comparing an adversarial job with a cooperative one. A crane operator won't feel unsafe, or confronted by someone he calls hostile. This is no excuse whatsoever for the multitude of outraging problems in the system, but the comparison isn't straightforward.

Quite the opposite. The adversarial job should have higher standards of conduct, not lower.

Re: George Floyd Protest – police brutality videos on Twitter

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Post by pasquinelli »

baggy_trough wrote: post #82
nlh wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Defunding police because of police brutality is swallowing a spider to catch the fly. You do NOT want to live in a place without police. This is a classic example of bad / misleading marketing on behalf of a reform movement. The "Defund the Police" movement has been poorly named. Yes, there are absolutely some folks on the extreme who truly want to disband the police and live in a place without police, but by and l…

If that's really what it is, calling it "Defund" is like marketing Coke by calling it "Shitty Sugar Water" and then issuing a 10 page explainer that says "Shit not included".

It's not quite that, but it does sound like cutting all funding. How about "the police have too much money"? It's not an imperative statement though. "Cut police budgets" has the same problem as "defund the police." Any better slogans? Something snappy like "we send the EU £350 million a week. let's fund our NHS instead."

Re: George Floyd Protest – police brutality videos on Twitter

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Post by prawn »

danShumway wrote: post #76
bufferoverflow wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it out of control though? The police has 700K members in the US. Millions of daily interactions with people of all kinds. All you could find is 400 cases from ALL the years. And I guess the claim is brutality wasn't justified in every single case. In reality there are not 400 cases on that list, and in many cases the violence was justified. I'm not saying the police doesn't do wrong, they absolutely do. We have ex…

> All you could find is 400 cases from ALL the years. These aren't from all the years, they're from approximately May 26th of this year. It's 400 cases in the last 3-4 weeks. That is a startlingly high number, made worse once you actually start digging into the individual incidents, because you realize they're not just isolated. A lot of these videos aren't, "a single police officer does something shifty", they're, "…

And not just in recent weeks, also with cameras trained on them and during a protest specifically trying to draw awareness in part to police brutality. My jaw dropped at so many of them.

Re: George Floyd Protest – police brutality videos on Twitter

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Post by rabidrat »

MechanicalTwerk wrote: post #91
DeonPenny wrote: post #65

The fact that is even possible is insane. Imagine there being over 700 videos of pilots messing up in one month, 700 crane operator mishaps in a month, 700+ food poising by a chain in a month. The also imagine you believe there's no problem. This is Ba Sing Se levels of delusion for some people.

To be fair there's way more people filming the police right now than any of those professions so I wouldn't expect the number of mishaps on video to be comparable.

Which makes these even more egregious because it means there are still more cases that weren't recorded. These are just the ones we know about!

Re: George Floyd Protest – police brutality videos on Twitter

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Post by chrisco255 »

grey-area wrote: post #87
fortytwo79 wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had the same experience. It was a video of a riot line of police with shields walking down the street, and people shooting fireworks at them. I welcome any content that shows events that the media isn't providing. But if someone is going to curate a list like this, don't sell it as something it's not.

You're probably mistaking police flash bangs for fireworks. These devices are completely inappropriate for crowd control, but routinely deployed by US police in the protests.

Ah what is appropriate? Letting them take over entire city blocks as Seattle has done? Allowing mobs to burn down minority neighborhoods in Minneapolis?

Re: George Floyd Protest – police brutality videos on Twitter

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Post by fzeroracer »

kipchak wrote: post #78
Miner49er wrote: post #58

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The police have never done anything for me, and I can't think of a time they've done anything for anyone I know. I don't really see how they are heros. I can't even think of things they regularly do that can be called heroic? I know they do some good stuff, but nothing that comes close to the level of "hero" in my opinion. Firefighters, EMTs, nurses, and doctors are all examples of actual heros, IMO.

Isn't being the stick that causes laws to have meaning a good thing? A law is only words unless there's someone who will inflict a penalty if you don't follow it.

You're right that a 'law is only words unless there's someone who will inflict a penalty'. The question we've seen over the past few weeks however is 'who watches the watchmen?'

The answer is, apparently, nobody. The police should not be above the law they're enforcing. The only thing that's changed is that with the mass adoption of smart phones we're able to see from multiple angles how deep the corruption goes.

Re: George Floyd Protest – police brutality videos on Twitter

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Post by rabidrat »

jennyyang wrote: post #56

The thing that really makes things worse is that the police are causing most of these protests and riots with their violent, unwarranted behavior. This triggers riots and protests, which require the police to work overtime. They get paid for causing all these problems, and well paid. Their overtime costs must be tremendous. And who ends up paying? We do. We should claw back police overtime pay for any protests or rio…

Over the last week I have been starting to realize that what you said is true in general, and not just of protests. It seems that police inflame and instigate most of the violent situations they are involved in. We are literally paying to be abused. We shouldn't be trying to get that money back; we shouldn't even be paying it in the first place.
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