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The fact that is even possible is insane. Imagine there being over 700 videos of pilots messing up in one month, 700 crane operator mishaps in a month, 700+ food poising by a chain in a month. The also imagine you believe there's no problem. This is Ba Sing Se levels of delusion for some people.

To be fair there's way more people filming the police right now than any of those professions so I wouldn't expect the number of mishaps on video to be comparable.

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#93

The fact that is even possible is insane. Imagine there being over 700 videos of pilots messing up in one month, 700 crane operator mishaps in a month, 700+ food poising by a chain in a month. The also imagine you believe there's no problem. This is Ba Sing Se levels of delusion for some people.

To be fair you are comparing an adversarial job with a cooperative one. A crane operator won't feel unsafe, or confronted by someone he calls hostile. This is no excuse whatsoever for the multitude of outraging problems in the system, but the comparison isn't straightforward.

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It's worth noting hundreds of police officers lose their life a year in the line of duty: https://www.odmp.org/search/year and many more than that receive serious injuries, even permanent spinal damage: One cop was paralyzed from the neck down in Vegas protests: https://www.bostonherald.com/2020/06/14/police-officer-shot-... Retired police chief killed at 77 by looters in St. Louis: https://thehill.com/homenews/state…

Policing is not a dangerous job. According to the FBI, which publishes the data in the Uniform Crime Reports, from 1980–2018, an average of 85 law enforcement officers were feloniously killed per year. In 2018 there were 686,665 police in the US.

in 2019 there were a mere 89 deaths, and 41 one of those were vehicle accidents.

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#95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I consider police to be heroes. But that's not what we're seeing here. The sides here are decent folk (police and protesters) against the racists and the violent criminals (police and rioters and looters). And the police agree: "Three big California police unions release national reform plan to remove racist officers" https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/3-big-California... Their plan includes "a national data…

The police have never done anything for me, and I can't think of a time they've done anything for anyone I know. I don't really see how they are heros. I can't even think of things they regularly do that can be called heroic? I know they do some good stuff, but nothing that comes close to the level of "hero" in my opinion. Firefighters, EMTs, nurses, and doctors are all examples of actual heros, IMO.

Maybe I'm just naive and sheltered. I'm shocked by what I've seen these past weeks. There is a serious problem and it's going to be addressed.

A moment with a search engine will turn up story after story of people in uniform putting their lives on the line to help others.

Personally, I think they're heroes because they're people just like you and me who are willing to risk their lives to help other people. At least most of them are, I believe.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is correct. In fact, landscaping and groundskeeping workers (among many other categories) suffered more fatalities than police officers in 2018 according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics: https://www.bls.gov/iif/oshwc/cfoi/cftb0326.htm

Sorta meaningless unless you cross it against the actual count of people in the occupation (estimates in this list https://www.bls.gov/emp/tables/emp-by-detailed-occupation.ht... ) I don't really want to get into the actual meat of the argument, but please use per-capita death stats so the numbers are actually comparable.

Sure, I combined the two tables in the spreadsheet linked below, and there are many occupations that are more dangerous than police officer if we look at fatalities by per-capita occupation.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dXtv2wnutujfXWUHB9Bm...

Re: George Floyd Protest – police brutality videos on Twitter

#97

It's worth noting hundreds of police officers lose their life a year in the line of duty: https://www.odmp.org/search/year and many more than that receive serious injuries, even permanent spinal damage: One cop was paralyzed from the neck down in Vegas protests: https://www.bostonherald.com/2020/06/14/police-officer-shot-... Retired police chief killed at 77 by looters in St. Louis: https://thehill.com/homenews/state…

The fact that people instantly go to both-sidesing this is absolutely infuriating. This isn't some kind of red-team/blue-team dynamic bullshit sports thing. Police officers are the designated empowered representatives of the state and they absolutely must follow the law. There is no rule of law if they can beat your ass and kill you and then hide behind a wall of denial, a police union, unaccountable processes, and phalanx of defenders like this.

Police officers die in the line of duty. Yep. It's a dangerous job. You know who else dies in the line of duty? Truck drivers. Truck drivers die at 2x the rate of police officers in America. Do they get a free pass for beating the shit out of people and killing them? Hell no.

Re: George Floyd Protest – police brutality videos on Twitter

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It's worth noting hundreds of police officers lose their life a year in the line of duty: https://www.odmp.org/search/year and many more than that receive serious injuries, even permanent spinal damage: One cop was paralyzed from the neck down in Vegas protests: https://www.bostonherald.com/2020/06/14/police-officer-shot-... Retired police chief killed at 77 by looters in St. Louis: https://thehill.com/homenews/state…

It’s about 100 officers a year in the U.S. About half are homicides and the other half are car accidents on the job. It doesn’t rank in the top 10 most dangerous jobs (per capita) in the U.S. according to the BLS. The number of deaths will be much higher this year, at least double, due to COVID19 deaths. The job pays well and comes with a pension. It’s nearly impossible to get fired and if you do get fired, most officers get rehired elsewhere.

https://www.bls.gov/iif/oshwc/cfoi/police-officers-2014.htm

https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/cfoi.pdf

https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2019/05/08/the-nu...

https://www.policeone.com/coronavirus-covid-19/articles/covi...

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I know politics isn't the usual HN topic, but I think this goes beyond politics at this point. Until I saw this list, I had no idea how out of control this situation has gotten here. I'm saddened for my country and hope that this can be a turning point for all of us.

One of the threads that was eye-opening for me was Greg Doucette's (a lawyer in North Carolina among other things) ongoing Twitter thread with Pics/Video of police brutality as it relates to peaceful protesters/bystanders. It's currently at 500+ instances of police brutality. https://twitter.com/greg_doucette/status/1272306977872453634

Those 500+ incidents are since May 30.

Re: George Floyd Protest – police brutality videos on Twitter

#100
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Can we stop with this BS about police brutality, perhaps we should be more vocal for the criminal's brutality? Which would limit the need of police in the first place? There are more than 350M interactions of police with citizens in a year, and you found 400 videos - most of them questionable in the definition of brutality. How about thousands of police officers killed that are protecting us? Here is the latest case…

Let me just be the first to say fuuuuuuck!!!!! There is no rule of law if the police can beat the shit out of people without even so much as due process. Yeah, criminals brutalize, even kill, police. You know what happens when they do that? They go to jail. You know what happens when cops do that? Not a goddamn thing . Congratulations on being a well-to-do immigrant. Please expand your imagination to include centurie…

Even if you discount the racism - why do the police kill so many dang people? Too many brown folks, white folks, and other folks - more than is reasonable.
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