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Google adds experimental setting to hide full URLs in Chrome 85 address bar

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Re: Google adds experimental setting to hide full URLs in Chrome 85 address bar

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Post by kjakm »

toyg wrote: post #521
kjakm wrote: post #324

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a Safari user it boggles my mind that Firefox's send to device feature is considered good at all. All my Safari tabs are automatically synced to my phone at all times with no intervention needed from me. It's one of the few things keeping me from switching to Firefox actually.

> All my Safari tabs are automatically synced to my phone at all times I hate the hell out of that. My phone is my phone, my laptop is my laptop, just leave them alone.

I guess I'm forgetting there are people with dozens of tabs open at a time that probably wouldn't like this. The Safari thing does keep them separate though from your mobile tabs until you open one.

Re: Google adds experimental setting to hide full URLs in Chrome 85 address bar

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Post by dang »

TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #318
gsich wrote: post #182

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I doubt that any sane technician would opt for showing the user less information. So the decision must be from someone else, someone who has no clue about how a URL works. So because that person doesn't know about URLs, nobody should know about ULRs.

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Please stop using HN for ideological flamewar. It's the last thing we want or need here—it destroys this place.

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Re: Google adds experimental setting to hide full URLs in Chrome 85 address bar

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Post by OtterGauze »

StavrosK wrote: post #166

Firefox mobile syncs beautifully with desktop, and they have a standalone password manager app that syncs with your browser's password manager, maybe you'll find it useful. There's also an accessibility setting to always force zoomability, even when the site disables it.

I'm a Firefox user, but I don't see myself using Lockwise, it's too lacking in features, not to mention the security caveats of using your browser's password "manager". You're better off using a third party like Bitwarden or KeyPass.

Edit: Brain mashed together 1Password and KeyPass.

Re: Google adds experimental setting to hide full URLs in Chrome 85 address bar

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Post by strictnein »

wolco wrote: post #291
butz wrote: post #62

While this might be useful for a casual user, hidden URLs are a huge problem for web developers. Asking for a screenshot from client is not enough, now I'll have to provide additional instructions how to copy/paste full URL when reporting issues. Not to mention all possible problems with misconfigured servers when www and www-less domains lead to same website, but some script refuses to work on one of those. While it…

Developers at least the experienced ones never left firefox. For the new developers who got hooked on chrome over the last 10/15 years time to move to a developer friendly browser. At this point ie becomes more useful.

This is just simply inaccurate. I have 25 years of web dev experience and left Firefox because Chrome's dev tools were far, far superior to those of Firefox.

Re: Google adds experimental setting to hide full URLs in Chrome 85 address bar

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Post by shadowgovt »

zrm wrote: post #621
shadowgovt wrote: post #607

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But that's useful information that's told me redundantly by the page title and the banner at the top of the page also. I don't need the URL bar for that. In fact, using the URL bar for it assumes that the path has semantic meaning, which is not an assumption that the URL standard actually requires.

> But that's useful information that's told me redundantly by the page title and the banner at the top of the page also. I don't need the URL bar for that. The page isn't required by anything to contain that information or to give it accurately. How do you distinguish example.edu/financial-aid/ from example.edu/~some-student/ ? > In fact, using the URL bar for it assumes that the path has semantic meaning, which is n…

> How do you distinguish example.edu/financial-aid/ from example.edu/~some-student/

That's an unrealistic example because no website worth its salt is going to let students put arbitrary content in the same domain as the financial aid system. That's a recipe for leaking cookies that contain session tokens, and displaying a full URL won't save a user.

By the time you see the ~some-student in the URL bar, the security game is over.

Re: Google adds experimental setting to hide full URLs in Chrome 85 address bar

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Post by Spivak »

blacklight wrote: post #559

"Showing the full URL may detract from the parts of the URL that are more important to making a security decision on a webpage". Oh, really? As a security-aware user I really want to see the full URL to make sure it doesn't look something like https://big-vulnerable-site.com/?redirect_url=http://my-mali... . I fail to see a single use case where showing only the hostname or the domain increases the security of the br…

Huh? If I was trying to get people to see that paypal.com.myevilsite.info/paypal/auth/secure

then having myevilsite.com be the most prominent thing seems like a win.

Re: Google adds experimental setting to hide full URLs in Chrome 85 address bar

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Post by Spivak »

zajio1am wrote: post #457

I would say that removing URL is also bad UI - if user sees that URL changes with navigation, then it is possible to guess that it can be copied and pasted to give a link for current page. If the URL bar would offer full URL for copy/paste, but show only the domain, then the feature of full URL copy/paste is hidden.

Or you just hit the share button? I think copy-and-paste would be considered the bad UX if it was new idea today.

I think user-visible links would be considered bad UX if it was presented today.

“Alright then you copy this opaque hundred character string into your chat window, make sure you get everything after the dollar sign, or strip it out. Depends on the site.”

Copy and paste is the lowest common denominator of IPC.

Re: Google adds experimental setting to hide full URLs in Chrome 85 address bar

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Post by oconnor663 »

blacklight wrote: post #559

"Showing the full URL may detract from the parts of the URL that are more important to making a security decision on a webpage". Oh, really? As a security-aware user I really want to see the full URL to make sure it doesn't look something like https://big-vulnerable-site.com/?redirect_url=http://my-mali... . I fail to see a single use case where showing only the hostname or the domain increases the security of the br…

> I fail to see a single use case where showing only the hostname or the domain increases the security of the browsing experience.

For you, a power user with presumably years (decades?) using the web and general technical fluency, sure. This doesn't particularly benefit you.

The person it benefits is a beginner (possibly a permanent beginner), who's needs to be taught to look at the domain name of websites before typing in their password. This is already an unfamiliar and uncomfortable concept for a lot of people, and forcing them to parse a long string of line noise to find the thing they're supposed to check makes it worse.

It's very difficult to for technical experts to put ourselves in the shoes of a permanent beginner. We like using computers. A lot of them hate it, but have to do it to pay their taxes or make appointments with their doctor or see photos of their relatives. We think the idea of protecting ourselves from attackers is neat, because it makes us feel in control. A lot of them think it's horrifying, because they feel out of control and exposed. Adding extra little steps, or little opportunities for confusion, has a big impact on these folks, and they need all the help they can get.

Re: Google adds experimental setting to hide full URLs in Chrome 85 address bar

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Post by DaiPlusPlus »

AsyncAwait wrote: post #399
cancerSpreads wrote: post #394

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The quality of Firefox on Windows as software is much to be desired. Due to slow loading, I'm considering whatever they call the Microsoft browser today.

Microsoft doesn't have a browser today, it's just a repackaged Chrome supporting the same Blink monopoly. I am honestly surprised Firefox on Windows is slow for you. I don't personally use Windows, but many on here say it works well there since v57.

Blink isn’t a monopoly... yet.

Re: Google adds experimental setting to hide full URLs in Chrome 85 address bar

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Post by toast0 »

onion2k wrote: post #370
user5994461 wrote: post #244

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Sentry only capture software exceptions. It doesn't tell you a page is rendering badly in the user's browser.

You can send your own events to Sentry. It's not just for exceptions.

How do you make an event for rending looks weird, or text is unreadable or ?
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