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Intermittent fasting works – not only for weight loss but also for heart health

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Re: Intermittent fasting works – not only for weight loss but also for heart health

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Post by SideburnsOfDoom »

AnonC wrote: post #10

> How do you start? Agatston told me to start by skipping one meal a day, usually breakfast. (Yes, you can have black coffee in the morning, into which he adds ghee, a type of clarified butter, and coconut oil to reduce hunger pangs. It’s not your typical cup of coffee.) This may be ok to start with, though black coffee by itself has the ability to kill hunger without these crutches. Adding ghee or coconut oil in bla…

> you can have black coffee in the morning, into which he adds ghee, a type of clarified butter, and coconut oil to reduce hunger pangs. It’s not your typical cup of coffee.

The idea that you need a special kind of coffee to do intermittent fasting is IMHO a very bad idea: it sets an unnecessary barrier to entry, and it misses the main point: it's about what you don't eat, not what you add to your intake.

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Post by throwaway_jobs »

xorcist wrote: post #121
tom_mellior wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vague hints to "get the whole picture" or to "educate yourself" without pointing to approved sources are always bad moves in Internet discussions. But here especially: Skimming the top 10 DuckDuckGo results for "ketosis fat-burning", I'm getting the impression that you would not approve of most of them.

It should not be of interest to others what I personally would approve of. I don't hand out nutritionist advice on the Internet. The body is an amazing machine. It's still a good idea to at least try to understand the basic processes before making experiments on it. At least understand how ketosis works and why it isn't our default mode of metabolism. While there certainly are people who feel that it is helping them,…

> At least understand how ketosis works and why it isn't our default mode of metabolism

It is the default metabolism.

1. All things being equal if you do not introduce any calories into your body you will naturally be in ketosis.

2. The only way to be kicked out of ketosis is to elevate blood glucose levels/spike insulin. Sure that is nearly everyone now, but that doesn’t make it the Body’s default...you need to eat a certain way for that to happen, historically there really wouldn’t have been a ton of available options to Eat Foods to kick humans out of ketosis until humans began farming grains and cereals.

3. Perhaps most importantly your brain can run off of ketones or glucose, very few things can cross the blood brain barrier, and ketones are far more efficient at crossing the blood brain barrier and powering the brain.

Re: Intermittent fasting works – not only for weight loss but also for heart health

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Post by thesz »

AnonC wrote: post #10

> How do you start? Agatston told me to start by skipping one meal a day, usually breakfast. (Yes, you can have black coffee in the morning, into which he adds ghee, a type of clarified butter, and coconut oil to reduce hunger pangs. It’s not your typical cup of coffee.) This may be ok to start with, though black coffee by itself has the ability to kill hunger without these crutches. Adding ghee or coconut oil in bla…

Please let me point you to https://leangains.com

It has a ton of info - Martin Berkhan is really first person who popularized 16:8.

One of advises there is that you can have black coffee with some milk, because milk is really low on calories.

Also, from his site again, 10g of BCAA pre and postworkout does not change expression of fasting markers in blood. 10g of BCAA is ~40 calories. Put differently, it is equal to two teaspoons of sugar.

And, to finalize, he recommends 14:10 regime for women.

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Post by Broken_Hippo »

theelous3 wrote: post #123
Broken_Hippo wrote: post #120

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First things first, most folks don't have access to a lot of fine coffee simply because of the cost barrier. Really, you have to work with the stuff that is more often available to people - and for most, that is grocery store coffees of different sorts. The only 'cafe' I had access to with any regularity was Starbucks in the US, and that hardly counts. Small-to-medium sized Indiana towns aren't exactly known for thei…

I mean, I wouldn't trust most bariatas to make a good coffee, let alone myself with an advent calendar. May if you go to norway you might change your mind.

I now live in Norway, and have for the past 7 years. And I still have this opinion.

The advent calendar is from Kaffebox, and I definitely recommend it, by the way.

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

jasonlfunk wrote: post #22

My experience with IF has taught me that I’m much better at complete denial, rather than moderation. So if I want to reduce my caloric intake it works better for me to say No to everything for 16 hours and only eat for 8, then to try to just eat less and in moderation all day. It also applies to carb and other reductions. If I allow myself any bread, sweets, etc, I will eat too much. It’s easier for me to eat 0, then…

My problem is, I still would have 8 hours in which I must exercise restraint. Packing away 4k calories in a single meal is trivially easy. There is no way to avoid the need for restraint and moderation.

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Post by lazylizard »

renw0rp wrote: post #75
elric wrote: post #28

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I suspect the reason why it's common to skip breakfast in 16:8 and not dinner, is because of social pressure. It's much more common to have dinner with friends than breakfast. Skipping breakfast is way easiet for many people.

I did try IF before and I'm getting back to it now. Social aspect is the main reason for skipping breakfast, not the dinner for me

Yes your friends rarely ask you out for breakfast...

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Post by netman21 »

I like the explanation that IF gives your body a chance to go into ketosis. And, by extension, a keto diet provides the same benefits as IF. Combining the two is easy since in my experience you rarely get hanger pangs when you don't eat carbs.

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

nerder92 wrote: post #68
globular-toast wrote: post #62

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Yes, that's true for me too. I've been practising 16:8 IF for almost ten years now and this is definitely one of the reasons it works. I eat big meals consisting of traditional foods. I see others people's "diets" that don't work and they are always weird foods that aren't actually nice and weird portion sizes that aren't satisfying. The other thing I've realised is it doesn't have to be about watching the clock ever…

I'm doing exactly the same since almost 1year, but still I'm not seeing much benefit from it. Like I still have belly fat, I wonder how do you eat when you break the fast and how do you avoid binging? I'm not gonna lie, after 15-16h I start to feel hungry and as soon as the fast finish I tend to eat something pretty caloric & fatty (ie: cheese or nuts)

What're you experiencing is the "no miracle occurs" effect. There is no "one weird trick" to weight loss, only the very boring, obvious, and difficult exercise of restraining ones caloric intake and/or increasing one's output.

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Post by anon946 »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #135
jasonlfunk wrote: post #22

My experience with IF has taught me that I’m much better at complete denial, rather than moderation. So if I want to reduce my caloric intake it works better for me to say No to everything for 16 hours and only eat for 8, then to try to just eat less and in moderation all day. It also applies to carb and other reductions. If I allow myself any bread, sweets, etc, I will eat too much. It’s easier for me to eat 0, then…

My problem is, I still would have 8 hours in which I must exercise restraint. Packing away 4k calories in a single meal is trivially easy. There is no way to avoid the need for restraint and moderation.

For me, I don't need to exercise restraint during those 8 hours. I sate myself. It's still an overall caloric reduction, for me at least.

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Post by neffy »

johnchristopher wrote: post #109
pwdisswordfish2 wrote: post #6

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Apnea can lead to binge eating, so it may be the apenea was in part responsible for gaining the 45 lbs!

> Apnea can lead to binge eating How so ?

It's strongly suspected that there's a nasty feedback loop between disrupted sleep (caused by apnea) and weight gain due to interference with appetite regulation.
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