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Intermittent fasting works – not only for weight loss but also for heart health

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Re: Intermittent fasting works – not only for weight loss but also for heart health

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Roritharr wrote: post #36
raincom wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

black coffee + ghee/coconut oil is part of keto. He must be doing keto + IF.

Having done keto for a long time I can only recommend two options besides Tea. 1. Become a weird coffee person and put some nerd energy into it so black coffee doesn't taste disgusting on it's own. James Hoffman on YouTube is a great way into this. 2. Eschew the coffee and take a teaspoon of MCT Oil before your can of zero-calorie Energy Drink (Coke Zero Energy is my favorite atm). It may be dirty and people are goin…

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Re: Intermittent fasting works – not only for weight loss but also for heart health

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jasonlfunk wrote: post #22

My experience with IF has taught me that I’m much better at complete denial, rather than moderation. So if I want to reduce my caloric intake it works better for me to say No to everything for 16 hours and only eat for 8, then to try to just eat less and in moderation all day. It also applies to carb and other reductions. If I allow myself any bread, sweets, etc, I will eat too much. It’s easier for me to eat 0, then…

Yes, that's true for me too. I've been practising 16:8 IF for almost ten years now and this is definitely one of the reasons it works. I eat big meals consisting of traditional foods. I see others people's "diets" that don't work and they are always weird foods that aren't actually nice and weird portion sizes that aren't satisfying.

The other thing I've realised is it doesn't have to be about watching the clock every day. What I actually do is just eat lunch and dinner every day and that's it. It doesn't really matter when those meals are, which means I can adjust easily to accommodate socialising, for example. The diet that works is easy to adhere to. If you have to think about it every day and shape the rest of your life around it, it will not work (unless you're a professional athlete maybe).

Re: Intermittent fasting works – not only for weight loss but also for heart health

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Post by globular-toast »

Kiro wrote: post #38

I don't understand the 16:8 idea. I would still eat 3 meals, just with dinner a little earlier. 8 hours window feels too big to be called fasting.

Even a "normal" 3 meal pattern involves fasting overnight. That's why we call the first meal breakfast. This is just extending that overnight fast to 16 hours.

I think if you tried to eat 3 meals in 8 hours you'd eat smaller meals. Otherwise you'd be stuffing yourself full.

Re: Intermittent fasting works – not only for weight loss but also for heart health

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Post by Izkata »

> How do you start? Agatston told me to start by skipping one meal a day, usually breakfast.

This sounds especially odd to me, as skipping breakfast has long been one of those well-known ways to accidentally gain weight... (explanation typically being that you end up hungrier at lunch/dinner and eat more over the whole day)

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Post by ajinkyapatil »

doubleunplussed wrote: post #25
humanlion87 wrote: post #24

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That's an interesting point, never thought about it that way. Need to read more about it! If that is the case, then going back to IF might be a problem for me :). Currently I am back on 3 meals a day (12:12) and have eliminated certain types of foods that could cause acidity. And it's working for now.

Why not have breakfast but skip dinner? Eating close to bedtime can cause reflux and FWIW I had less reflux when I fasted after 4pm.

Same worked for me, not eating anything after 4pm greatly reduced my refulx. Also maintaining strict sleeping and eating schedule helps.

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Post by Roritharr »

blunte wrote: post #50
1_player wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If your black coffee tastes disgusting on its own, you need to buy better coffee.

And use good water, and follow best practices for whatever brewing method you prefer. Failing any of these (including getting quality beans that are recently brewed), and your coffee may be much worse than it needs to be. I despise Nestle business and social practices, but a Nespresso machine with Nespresso pods is probably the best coffee that most people could hope to make.

That's what I mean, if you don't intend to become a weird coffee person black coffee is just not a pleasurable experience for most people.

Starbucks made coffee appealing for a vast amount of the population by legitimising to drink 350ml of milk with lots of sugar by adding an espresso. If you are part of this crowd, the sad truth is that zero carb energy drinks are the more realistic morning beverage alternative for you.

Re: Intermittent fasting works – not only for weight loss but also for heart health

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Post by globular-toast »

1_player wrote: post #41
Roritharr wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having done keto for a long time I can only recommend two options besides Tea. 1. Become a weird coffee person and put some nerd energy into it so black coffee doesn't taste disgusting on it's own. James Hoffman on YouTube is a great way into this. 2. Eschew the coffee and take a teaspoon of MCT Oil before your can of zero-calorie Energy Drink (Coke Zero Energy is my favorite atm). It may be dirty and people are goin…

If your black coffee tastes disgusting on its own, you need to buy better coffee.

I disagree. I've had all of the most expensive coffees including Blue Mountain and Kona. I just don't think coffee is nice without some fat and/or sugar. It has a really bitter, astringent aftertaste that just isn't pleasant. I don't know why it's controversial. There are many foods (maybe even most foods) that aren't particularly nice on their own.

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Post by nerder92 »

globular-toast wrote: post #62
jasonlfunk wrote: post #22

My experience with IF has taught me that I’m much better at complete denial, rather than moderation. So if I want to reduce my caloric intake it works better for me to say No to everything for 16 hours and only eat for 8, then to try to just eat less and in moderation all day. It also applies to carb and other reductions. If I allow myself any bread, sweets, etc, I will eat too much. It’s easier for me to eat 0, then…

Yes, that's true for me too. I've been practising 16:8 IF for almost ten years now and this is definitely one of the reasons it works. I eat big meals consisting of traditional foods. I see others people's "diets" that don't work and they are always weird foods that aren't actually nice and weird portion sizes that aren't satisfying. The other thing I've realised is it doesn't have to be about watching the clock ever…

I'm doing exactly the same since almost 1year, but still I'm not seeing much benefit from it. Like I still have belly fat, I wonder how do you eat when you break the fast and how do you avoid binging? I'm not gonna lie, after 15-16h I start to feel hungry and as soon as the fast finish I tend to eat something pretty caloric & fatty (ie: cheese or nuts)

Re: Intermittent fasting works – not only for weight loss but also for heart health

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Post by simonebrunozzi »

Well, at least the title is exactly informative, instead of making me guess what the conclusion of the article is about.

I tried IF for a while. Had mixed results (mostly positive, just not as positive as expected). Willing to try again.

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Post by httpsterio »

blunte wrote: post #50
1_player wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If your black coffee tastes disgusting on its own, you need to buy better coffee.

And use good water, and follow best practices for whatever brewing method you prefer. Failing any of these (including getting quality beans that are recently brewed), and your coffee may be much worse than it needs to be. I despise Nestle business and social practices, but a Nespresso machine with Nespresso pods is probably the best coffee that most people could hope to make.

Roasted *, but I disagree. Nespresso is easy, but it's expensive and even at best it tastes like hot garbage. You can grab aeropress for like 30 dollars and throw in a metal filter for like 5 dollars and that's already capable of making single cups of excellent coffee for years.

My current aeropress and filter are from 2012 and I'm not really in need of an upgrade any time soon so it's honestly a very affordable brewing device.

I do agree on the beans though, freshly roasted beans are more expensive and on top of that a grinder would also be a good idea. You can get a decent electric burr grinder around here for a bit over 60 dollars. On average, I buy both cheap and expensive beans, the cheaper ones are around 10 dollars per kilo and the more expensive ones are around 60 to 70 dollars per kilo. Quick maths tells me that a 8oz cup of the cheaper stuff comes down to about 13 cents and the more expensive one just under a dollar so definitely cheaper than any cafe and this is 3rd wave artisan type coffee we're talking about.

Aeropress is basically idiot proof as well, anyone can make a decent cup of coffee with it so I don't really buy into the Nespresso argument here either. For an investment of under a hundred bucks, you can most definitely enjoy extremely good black coffee at home with very palatable running costs as well. I'm happy to expand if anyone has _any_ coffee related questions.

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