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Intermittent fasting works – not only for weight loss but also for heart health

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Likewise. I think it's true for a lot of people. Its why pregnant women are told not to drink alcohol at all. The reality is that the liver is amazing and can remove low levels of it so well that a small amount of drinking is fine. The problem is that it's really hard to a) effectively communicate what the safe level is b) get people to stick to it. It's much easier to avoid it entirely.

I've literally measured a glass of wine for someone who then told me the measure must be wrong rather than admit they had always drunk three glasses rather than one. (Person was not pregnant and is not someone that would be described in any way as having problems with alcohol.)

Well 'glass' is an entirely arbitrary measure and until they have looked it up in mililitres it's not clear why anyone would know how much it is. I don't. I think public health advice about drinking should stick to more concrete terms.

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"I only eat dollar store steak and your body needs calories so your taste will adapt." You can say this about literally any food. Nonsense.

As a German... do.. do your dollar stores actually have steaks? Scary thought.

Yes, some do, but they’re not actually a dollar. Which only makes it slightly better?

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black coffee + ghee/coconut oil is part of keto. He must be doing keto + IF.

Having done keto for a long time I can only recommend two options besides Tea. 1. Become a weird coffee person and put some nerd energy into it so black coffee doesn't taste disgusting on it's own. James Hoffman on YouTube is a great way into this. 2. Eschew the coffee and take a teaspoon of MCT Oil before your can of zero-calorie Energy Drink (Coke Zero Energy is my favorite atm). It may be dirty and people are goin…

I had similar issues removing added sugar from my regular meals.

If the bitterness is what bothers you, get beans that are lightly roasted. The bitterness comes from roasting it dark.

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It’s addictive, so your taste will adapt to what you regularly have. It’s entirely possible to train your body to love instant, you just need to stick with it.

"I only eat dollar store steak and your body needs calories so your taste will adapt." You can say this about literally any food. Nonsense.

If you remove predicates (“it’s addictive”) you can reduce anything to the absurd

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> How do you start? Agatston told me to start by skipping one meal a day, usually breakfast. (Yes, you can have black coffee in the morning, into which he adds ghee, a type of clarified butter, and coconut oil to reduce hunger pangs. It’s not your typical cup of coffee.) This may be ok to start with, though black coffee by itself has the ability to kill hunger without these crutches. Adding ghee or coconut oil in bla…

What is often not acknowledged or even mentioned is that many people have difficulty with fasting because they are addicted to food - either addicted because of euphoric and opiate numbing effects that wheat specifically can cause, or from the numbing of sugar and carbohydrates - as inflammation has a depressant effect on the nervous system. The addiction to food is also self-medicating. If people don't realize this then they will struggle more than they need to. Reducing food intake if you're dependant on that breakfast with wheat and sugar-carbs to numb your nervous system, to calm your current emotions and perhaps pressure from past unhealed/unprocessed trauma, then as you reduce your food intake you're going to get exposed to withdrawals, as well as start being able to feel what's underlying - and you may not understand it nor know how to process it; this is certainly why intermittent fasting is perhaps healthier, gentler, and more sustainable for people to succeed at - as it won't apply or re-expose them to as much pressure with the quelling-numbing effects of many if not most foods.

Another part to why fasting can be difficult for people is as your inflammation level goes down, so does the depressant-numbing effect, so you will feel whatever digestive pains and irritation some of the foods you're eating may be causing you more clearly; this coincides with most people commenting how their thinking and senses become much sharper as they deepen into the length of a fast. If you're regularly eating foods you don't realize are agitating your GI tract, any that are causing inflammation, then the potential for fasting to be an enjoyable and easy endeavour for upkeep - weight loss or maintenance - will go down.

Edit to add: There may also be mild to severe dis-ease progression, damage/injury to the GI tract from lifelong lack of awareness (being numbed from eating foods that are harmful to you by some of the foods you may/likely have been eating) allowing the damage to progress. You may then be exposed and feeling this pain and then eating again is how you numb feeling it as strongly. Likewise there are bacterial infections that will benefit from fasting, cutting off their food supply greatly - much like why fasting can be beneficial for cancer growth - however, h.pylori bacterial infection for example causes nausea only on an empty stomach - and so that could be why some people are constantly driven to eat, not only to numb themselves but also to reduce nausea without realizing what's actually going on. That's why I also recommend microbiome stool testing. Also, if you underlying physical pain and injuries, reducing the inflammation from food will also increase your perception (and reaction to) to that physical pain - and so until you get that underlying pain treated then you'll be in a more agitated, less numbed state as well.

All of what I said above is ultimately why a practice of non-violence is necessary, non-violence towards others but also non-violence towards yourself: be gentle on yourself. I feel it's also important to state that all of this learning is a practice, an experiment you run through with yourself to understand yourself more and how things like food affect you, how breath affects you, how the mind affects you.

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> Skipping breakfast is a psychological trick Perhaps, but for some people it's also a physiological risk. I eat about 1200 calories for breakfast as my body otherwise cannot function for the day. Whether fasting is appropriate depends on one's body composition, daily exertion routine and physiological factors. For most people I'd recommend exercise instead of fasting.

Diet is so much more important for weight loss / maintenance than exercise. You can obviously have a healthy diet that does not include IF, but for most people they need to do something about their diet, and can’t just add exercise.

For most people, I tend to agree. A big part of The Obesity Code is unpacking the reasons why. One of the reasons is debunking the perception that weight loss is simply about calories in and calories out.

Another part of the story is showing the feedback cycles between glucose, insulin, and insulin resistance. I made a line art drawing as a gist, here:

https://gist.github.com/xpe/8d5c6243fba454e5987e87e9bc461a58

I already pasted it into another comment, so I don't want to exceed my line art threshold here.

Re: Intermittent fasting works – not only for weight loss but also for heart health

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I am strongly prone to skipping breakfast and drinking black coffee all day long, but I honestly do feel like it leaves me with less energy at the end of the day, and makes me less likely to exercise.

If you are overweight, any weight loss may be good. If you aren't really overweight, eating healthy regularly timed meals and working out are probably a better bet for maintaining your physique.

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My experience with IF has taught me that I’m much better at complete denial, rather than moderation. So if I want to reduce my caloric intake it works better for me to say No to everything for 16 hours and only eat for 8, then to try to just eat less and in moderation all day. It also applies to carb and other reductions. If I allow myself any bread, sweets, etc, I will eat too much. It’s easier for me to eat 0, then…

Same here. I can't moderate, but just cutting things off is no problem. I've been doing 16:8 for a year where I haven't eaten a single thing outside the 8 hours, but I haven't really seen any difference.

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An accelerated version of intermittent fasting is longer term fasting - ideal minimum being 3 days, although even only being able to handle 24 hours at first is a great start; the next ideal number of days is 5 days, then 10 days, then 20 days based on different changes that occur at those periods. I always recommend people watch this by Dr. Jason Fung: 'Therapeutic Fasting - Solving the Two-Compartment Problem' - ht…

I’m all for fasting but a 20-day fast without medical supervision sounds crazy.

I never argued no medical supervision? Many people find it much easier to take a daily electrolyte supplements while fasting, part of that is to increase blood pressure in the body - so you'll avoid the added effects and added pressure on the system of that.

If you're underweight then you shouldn't be fasting, that's the main concern from my understanding.

Some people may just want to make sure their blood sugar levels are healthy, perhaps along with checking for other abnormal factors. Obviously people who may be fasting to lose weight may have other dis-ease progression due to the weight or that caused their weight gain.

One other problem is many people don't understand how to come off of a fast properly - and eating slowly isn't necessarily how. In reality what will happen is if you don't know what foods you're normally eating that cause irritation/inflammation in your GI tract and you return to those foods, you're in for a very uncomfortable and painful experience because the contrast from being away from those foods - from a low to no inflammation state to then introducing them again, it's not fun and I say that from experience; it's part of the process of how an elimination diet can work to help you understand what foods you can tolerate or not, or you can do Igg food sensitivity testing and save yourself a lot of trial and error time - though those tests don't account for all sensitivities, so people need to not blindly trust that they are encompassing all possibilities.

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To be fair, if you are used to coffee with milk and sugar, black coffee tends to taste badly, in no small part because of simply eating how one is used to eating. This isn't special to coffee, just very noticeable in it. If this is one's issue, though, the solution is pretty easy: Wean yourself off. I did such a thing, and it has probably been one of the best things I've done. The cream was the first to go, as I was…

This just isn't true. It might be true for your coffee and or how you make it, but a good barista could make a black coffee any form of coffee drinker would like, be it a tea-like fruity filter, clean espresso, whatever. If you don't believe me, you've never been to a good enough cafe. It's unbelievable, the variety of black coffees.

First things first, most folks don't have access to a lot of fine coffee simply because of the cost barrier. Really, you have to work with the stuff that is more often available to people - and for most, that is grocery store coffees of different sorts. The only 'cafe' I had access to with any regularity was Starbucks in the US, and that hardly counts. Small-to-medium sized Indiana towns aren't exactly known for their coffee selection, and really, if the advice can't be used by a good chunk of the population, it isn't going to help much with cutting calories from daily drinks.

I know there are tea-like coffees. I don't like them: I get introduced to new stuff in December, when I order a coffee bean Advent calendar from a little Norwegian brewer: I kinda hate the days of the fruity, tea-ish coffees. Even if they were my favorite, I can't afford to drink this daily.

But that's besides the point. Cream, especially, gives a completely different mouthfeel. When I did put cream in coffee, I would have done it with the fancy coffees as well, though you could talk me into taking a sip otherwise.

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