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Breonna Taylor case: Louisville police nearly blank incident report

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Post by trfhuhg »

dillonmckay wrote: post #135
pjc50 wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> nobody expects the police not to shoot back when fired upon This is often part of the "rules of engagement" that military personnel are expected to follow; not only because they're expected not to shoot civilians, but also peacekeeping situations where firing on the wrong forces could cause WW3, as well as the very basic check that the target isn't wearing the same uniform as you and shooting in your direction by m…

Blindly, it seems. The neighboring apartment had several bullets enter, as well. So, zero regard for the safety of anyone.

Zero accountability -> zero regard.

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Post by DagAgren »

kjaftaedi wrote: post #89
bagels wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I actually don't believe it, but I have no evidence to support that belief. But it doesn't matter, because that actually makes it more reprehensible.

They published a story about the publication of the article and the events leading up to it. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/04/business/new-york-times-o... The editor in question also resigned. Not saying it justifies the original publication, but I appreciate the way it was handled.

It was handled that way only after first handling it incredlby, horrendously badly. They were dragged kicking and screaming by their entire staff into handling it correctly only after a week of absolutely bungling it.

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Post by DagAgren »

leereeves wrote: post #111
baddox wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course news agencies should report that the US Senator has that opinion. There are plenty of news agencies that reported on the fact that the NYT published this opinion piece, for instance, and I don’t think people are too upset about those reports. It’s the publishing of the opinion piece that is the issue.

News agencies shouldn't report that because the Senator didn't say that. He made it very clear he was talking about rioters and looters, not protestors: > Those excuses are built on a revolting moral equivalence of rioters and looters to peaceful, law-abiding protesters. A majority who seek to protest peacefully shouldn’t be confused with bands of miscreants. And nowhere in the op-ed did he call for murdering or kill…

> He made it very clear he was talking about rioters and looters, not protestors

People actually killing protesters always, without fail, claim to be trying to stop "rioters and looters". This is not a phrase to be taken at face value, ever.

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Post by DagAgren »

twybrobdingnag wrote: post #180
dagmx wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vox actually covers this really well https://www.vox.com/2020/6/5/21280425/new-york-times-tom-cot... Basically it boils down to: * it was a fairly dangerous opinion with fabrications that weren’t vetted by the editorial team * it was disrespectful and dangerous to the safety of their employees of color. The safety of people should not be a partisan issue * it compromised the reporting abilities of other arms of the N…

What I found fascinating in this story is that NYT claims with a straight face that the respective piece is dangerous specifically to their employees of color. I can see how one can hyperventilate 'military in the streets' to 'military shooting live ammunition indiscriminately into masses of peaceful protestors', and I can see how they'd imagine their brave reporters being in the front lines to keep us informed, but…

> but I just can't imagine the thought process behind 'and the bullets avoid white / asian NYT reporters and crew members and specifically target the ones with melanin above a certain level'.

Bullets don't fly on their own accord. Someone aims them.

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Post by Meegul »

I recently led the project completely rewriting the incident reporting system for one of the top 3 (by size) police departments in the country. This report wouldn't have even come close to passing client-side (or server-side for that matter) validations upon submission. An incident classified as a death with no medical information submitted? Usually the systems have some basic checks in place to ensure that, for example, if a theft occurred, property marked as stolen is present in the report. Likewise for any incident with some sort of physical harm: there's always a medical incident listed too. And a (nearly) blank narrative?! Even if that's due to Louisville PD policy, it still wouldn't have flown in the city I worked in. A simple assault (not battery, no injury) on public transit where the offender ran away and nobody could identify them would've produced a more thorough report than this one.

If this is standard in Louisville and there are no safeguards in their reporting software, stringent incident reporting software ought to be added to the list of reforms we ask of them.

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Post by DFHippie »

hetspookjee wrote: post #150
fourcommas wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

WaPo holds the distinguished title of being the first and only newspaper in the US whose editorial board endorsed the arrest and criminal charging of their own source.

I hold the WaPo in high regard and tend to read it everyday but I missed this entirely, and sounds rather shocking. Could you please source your statement?

Me shouting at a cloud: "every day" means "all days" or, adverbially, "on every day"; "everyday" means "ordinary, common, expected".

I know I'll get downvoted, but I see the conflation of "everyday" and "every day" everywhere and it's driving me bonkers.

ETA: Note, they are pronounced differently. "Everyday" has a single primary stress on the first syllable. "Every day" has two primary stresses, one on the first syllable and one on the last.

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Post by toss1 »

berdario wrote: post #106
rayiner wrote: post #7

USA Today has the best coverage of this I’ve seen. The NYT coverage of this is awful: https://www.nytimes.com/article/breonna-taylor-police.html A key fact is that the police shot Taylor after her boyfriend shot at the police, thinking they were intruders. While he was fully entitled to do that, the NYT doesn’t believe in gun rights so that’s a messy fact. To make the victim seem more sympathetic, the narrative under…

> Obviously nobody expects the police not to shoot back when fired upon. I do. They should temporarily cover to safety, understand the situation, announce themselves and attempt to de-escalate. Only if gunfire persist after that, it's reasonable to use deadly force. That's the LAST thing they should do (because in fact, mistakes at that point will be final, with mortal consequences)

>"mistakes at that point will be final, with mortal consequences"

Absolutely true, but you seem to expect them to care about that fact. Recent evidence shows that their selection & training eliminates caring about such issues.

Obviously, this drastically needs to be changed.

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Post by dandanqu82 »

save_ferris wrote: post #162
rayiner wrote: post #7

USA Today has the best coverage of this I’ve seen. The NYT coverage of this is awful: https://www.nytimes.com/article/breonna-taylor-police.html A key fact is that the police shot Taylor after her boyfriend shot at the police, thinking they were intruders. While he was fully entitled to do that, the NYT doesn’t believe in gun rights so that’s a messy fact. To make the victim seem more sympathetic, the narrative under…

Not to mention they wanted to charge the boyfriend with attempted murder after all that happened.

Did they not charge him with attempted murder? They initially arrested him after the shoot out.

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Post by [deleted] »

rayiner wrote: post #7

USA Today has the best coverage of this I’ve seen. The NYT coverage of this is awful: https://www.nytimes.com/article/breonna-taylor-police.html A key fact is that the police shot Taylor after her boyfriend shot at the police, thinking they were intruders. While he was fully entitled to do that, the NYT doesn’t believe in gun rights so that’s a messy fact. To make the victim seem more sympathetic, the narrative under…

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