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Re: How the Magic: The Gathering Color Wheel Explains Humanity

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Post by whatshisface » Tue, Jun 09, 2020, 5:38 AM UTC

schoen wrote: post #78

Everlag wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm obligated to mention xmage: http://xmage.de/ Think cockatrice that trades ergonomics for a rules engine. Much easier to play when the game just 'works'. It even has loop detection for when you go infinite with triggers. One thing to note is the community run servers are plagued with performance hitches at peak time. If you play regularly on xmage with friends, I'd recommend making an image on your preferred VPS p…

> It even has loop detection for when you go infinite with triggers. Apparently since you can construct a Turing machine in Magic: The Gathering, this is a case where halting is formally undecidable in general. :-) (not to suggest that any actual players have ever achieved a position in real play that would be undecidable by this engine)

Uncomputable problems in MTG were an issue for a while but can be handily solved with this card[0].

[0] https://scryfall.com/card/pvan/304/oracle?utm_source=mw_MTGW...

Re: How the Magic: The Gathering Color Wheel Explains Humanity

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Post by uoaei » Tue, Jun 09, 2020, 5:39 AM UTC

seph-reed wrote: post #72

scotty79 wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. Things are complex and multidimensional. But projections to lower dimensional spaces help us grasp it. Even if they distort the complex thing somewhat. If you see enough projections you can get the idea and some intuition about multidimensional thing. Much more than you could achieve just trying to see it in its full complexity at once.

Super into this perspective. Unfortunately, I find myself around many people who don't see the modality as a dimension lowering, but instead as the truth. Which is fine, we're still very, very, very primitive. But I've been done with the whole "balance" thing for ~6 years and philosophy gets pretty lonely passed that hurdle. For what it's worth, if anyone is interested, "paradox" has been the thing for me since.

What does the transition from "duality" to "paradox" look like?

Re: How the Magic: The Gathering Color Wheel Explains Humanity

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Post by Zanderax » Tue, Jun 09, 2020, 5:43 AM UTC

If you want to learn more about the MTG color wheel or MTG design in general check out the "Drive to Work" podcast by Mark Rosewater, the lead designer of magic. Dude is wicked smart and very humble.

Re: How the Magic: The Gathering Color Wheel Explains Humanity

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Post by tmsh » Tue, Jun 09, 2020, 5:50 AM UTC

bikamonki wrote: post #65

Under current events, I'd argue it does explain Humanity: look at a card upright, white is at the top while black is at the bottom :(

I 100% agree. This is where systemic racism comes from (black as destruction? White as godliness?)

This is messed up and shame on those who don’t realize this and downvote you.

Re: How the Magic: The Gathering Color Wheel Explains Humanity

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Post by tmsh » Tue, Jun 09, 2020, 5:53 AM UTC

This promotes systemic racism by insisting that white is at the center top and emphasizing ‘rationality’, while implying that black is in some way the opposite.

It’s fucked up for young POC kids.

Re: How the Magic: The Gathering Color Wheel Explains Humanity

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Post by Apocryphon » Tue, Jun 09, 2020, 6:11 AM UTC

h0l0cube wrote: post #66

In talking about linking colour to ways of thinking, there's also de Bono's hats: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_Thinking_Hats BLUE "The Big Picture" WHITE "Facts & Information" RED "Feelings & Emotions" BLACK "Critical Judgement" YELLOW "Positive" GREEN "New Ideas"

Well, yellow is present in Magic: the Gathering after all- it signifies multi-colored.

Re: How the Magic: The Gathering Color Wheel Explains Humanity

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Post by smabie » Tue, Jun 09, 2020, 6:14 AM UTC

tmsh wrote: post #84

bikamonki wrote: post #65

Under current events, I'd argue it does explain Humanity: look at a card upright, white is at the top while black is at the bottom :(

I 100% agree. This is where systemic racism comes from (black as destruction? White as godliness?) This is messed up and shame on those who don’t realize this and downvote you.

Black is bad because it represents the night, an evolutionary dangerous time. Light/white is good because daylight is safe. Humanity has had these associations long before race was ever considered.

Re: How the Magic: The Gathering Color Wheel Explains Humanity

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Post by aasasd » Tue, Jun 09, 2020, 6:16 AM UTC

mynegation wrote: post #33

Every time “Magic: The Gathering” is mentioned it seriously throws off my phrase parsing for like half a minute. What about “the magic”? What is “the gathering color wheel”? I wish “Magic: The Gathering” was in quotes.

By now I'm pretty sure that English-speakers are gradually forgetting what punctuation is. Quotes and commas are already basically dead—instead, we receive titlecase and italics, and convoluted stream-of-words sentences.

Re: How the Magic: The Gathering Color Wheel Explains Humanity

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Post by smabie » Tue, Jun 09, 2020, 6:22 AM UTC

GuiA wrote: post #2

The human brain loves finding patterns, meaning, and explanations ( "the platonic rises to the top" , per Taleb), so you'll be able to do something like this for pretty much any configuration of objects (all numbers are interesting after all! [0]). One could write a similarly convincing post about how the Terrans, Zergs, and Protoss embody the 3 core pillars of humanity, complete with esoteric looking diagrams. Read…

You're right on course, but I think Jungian archetypes are powerful for that very reason: it's a feedback loop. Archetypes not only embody different things and different kinds of people, but people are influenced by these universal archetypes as well.

For example, consider the trickster Jungian archetype. This archetype is universal to every human cultural, indicating (to me, atleast), that it's a core part of the human psyche, rather than some platonic shit that rose to the top of Jung's head.

My ex-girlfiend was getting a PhD in anthropology, and the different cultural archetypes and their similarities to each other among different, unrelated cultures astounded me. We independently come up with the same stories, over and over again. This cannot be a coincidence, rather it's a reflection of the unchanging nature of humanity.

Re: How the Magic: The Gathering Color Wheel Explains Humanity

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Post by TomK32 » Tue, Jun 09, 2020, 6:23 AM UTC

whatshisface wrote: post #80

h0l0cube wrote: post #66

In talking about linking colour to ways of thinking, there's also de Bono's hats: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_Thinking_Hats BLUE "The Big Picture" WHITE "Facts & Information" RED "Feelings & Emotions" BLACK "Critical Judgement" YELLOW "Positive" GREEN "New Ideas"

There's also the Whatshisface Schema: BLACK: Big-picture executive thinking. RED: Thinking like a Reddit commenter. (Glib, humorous oneliners) ORANGE: Thinking like a Hackernews commenter. (Glib, contrarian milti-liners.) YELLOW: The color of the sun, sunflowers, lions, and therefore courage and the heart, as in middle ages medicine. GREEN: Thinking about the environment, or money, or both. CYAN: Coming up with busin…

Cyan, violet, even blue/green aren't the same in every culture/language and sometimes even missing altogether.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distinction_of_blue_and_green_...

It's also worth knowing how our sense for colours did evolve https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_Color_Terms:_Their_Unive...

And on top of that the colours can differ in symbolism https://informationisbeautiful.net/visualizations/colours-in...