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A New Cold War Has Begun (2019)

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Re: A New Cold War Has Begun (2019)

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Post by oldsklgdfth »

ipnon wrote: post #7

The low-tech economies of China and America are integrated, but what about the high-tech ones? Can American companies create sub-apps on WeChat like Chinese ones can? As far as I know, US-Soviet trade was not comparable in scale to US-China trade. Did a lack of trade prolong the Cold War of the 20th century?

Trade with the USSR was very difficult. There was no use for it outside the USSR and it was forbidden to leave the country. So you couldn't just buy things from other countries.

When pepsi started selling in the USSR they traded pepsi for Stolichnaya vodka. Enentually they traded old military equipment. [0]

[0] https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/soviet-union-pepsi-shi...

Re: A New Cold War Has Begun (2019)

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Post by klyrs »

sametmax wrote: post #11

Why does everything has to be a war with the US?

I know, let's end that abominable feature of our culture. I call it... the war on war.

More seriously... "war" seems to be a byword for "unlimited and opaque budget" so it's attractive to all political stripes; it's also a byword for "we're actually taking this seriously" which is attractive to a large segment of the population.

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

agumonkey wrote: post #19
michaelborromeo wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the world more or less understands that American politics oscillates between periods of conservative control and liberal control. I don’t think the world has forgotten about America’s massive military or its massive economy. To say Trump has “ended America’s standing” is extremely short sighted... Whether you like him or not, he has not changed in any material way the military or the economy or the political…

Am I the only one to consider US massive economy as a lightyear remain ? It really seems that US (politics or companies) lost their ways and can't handle their own power. Inertia is not good enough.

The US economy has produced multiple new world-changing businesses every decade in living memory. The idea that it's solely coasting on inertia just doesn't make much sense.

Re: A New Cold War Has Begun (2019)

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Post by jackcosgrove »

shasheene wrote: post #5

Due to decades of Deng Xiaoping's One Child Policy, China is a slow motion demographic car crash that's impossible to stop. China will "get old before it gets rich", and the days of 6% growth aren't coming back. I recommend anyone interested in geopolitics and the world over the next 30 years to watch this lecture: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AvNT3vyzr0 It's the best overview of the future wealth and strength of…

Chinese birthrates would have fallen anyways due to increasing education and prosperity.

The one child policy only accelerated the decline. When it was lifted, birthrates hardly budged.

Every developed country is a slow motion demographic car crash. China is in a bad position, I'll grant, because the CCP's legitimacy depends upon demographic dividend-scale growth rates when the dividend has already peaked. Democratic countries have pressure release valves built into their political systems that China lacks.

Re: A New Cold War Has Begun (2019)

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Post by walterbell »

caseysoftware wrote: post #9
riffraff wrote: post #3

>Because, in a very different way than the old Soviet system, the Chinese system—the more authoritarian it gets—is over time more prone to crack up than America’s. I don't understand: what does the author think the difference is? I may have read the article without enough attention but I didn't get it. If anything, I got the idea it's less likely to crack.

I don't think China is going anywhere for at least a generation. If you dig into the collapse of most countries/empires/super powers, they collapse from either: - External pressures - foreign influence through military/conquering, investment, or mass immigration. With the exception of Taiwan, China has been effective in reducing or at least controlling all of those. And even that may be cracking where you see groups…

> It appears that under the policy, huge swathes of people just didn't report daughters being born. There's a generation of women who simply don't exist.

How do they work/travel/pay without ID?

Re: A New Cold War Has Begun (2019)

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Post by owenversteeg »

klyrs wrote: post #22
sametmax wrote: post #11

Why does everything has to be a war with the US?

I know, let's end that abominable feature of our culture. I call it... the war on war . More seriously... "war" seems to be a byword for "unlimited and opaque budget" so it's attractive to all political stripes; it's also a byword for "we're actually taking this seriously" which is attractive to a large segment of the population.

Soon, a series of organizations fighting war will pop up creating the war-on-war industrial complex, necessitating the war on war on war.

It's war all the way down.

Re: A New Cold War Has Begun (2019)

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Post by rhodium »

gohai wrote: post #18

Note: this article is from 2019. Perhaps the title could be updated to reflect this.

I was wondering why we're resurfacing such an outdated article aside from its headline-grabbing title. The US-China relationship has evolved a lot, and it doesn't cover major developments like the Hong Kong protests, national security bill, and coronavirus response.

Re: A New Cold War Has Begun (2019)

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Post by NineStarPoint »

michaelborromeo wrote: post #16
tibbydudeza wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well that video is kind of dated ... we have the Trump administration who in 4 years totally managed to end the standing of the US on the world stage.

I think the world more or less understands that American politics oscillates between periods of conservative control and liberal control. I don’t think the world has forgotten about America’s massive military or its massive economy. To say Trump has “ended America’s standing” is extremely short sighted... Whether you like him or not, he has not changed in any material way the military or the economy or the political…

But what Trump represents to allies is not just an oscilating to conservative control. It represents the willingness of the american public to put someone in charge of foreign policy that has a complete disrespect for America’s allies, and a strong willingness to turn America more isolationist and less supportive of free trade.

Ultimately, I don’t think Trump alone will really effect things long term though, no. If it becomes a pattern in the sort of person the conservative party elects, or even more so if the liberal part also swings that way, other countries could definitely start banding together more strongly against the American hegemony.

Re: A New Cold War Has Begun (2019)

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Post by s_y_n_t_a_x »

0x8BADF00D wrote: post #17
sametmax wrote: post #11

Why does everything has to be a war with the US?

It so happens that whenever a country amasses more wealth than the US, they are maligned and considered evil. It happened in the 80s with Japan, and it is now happening with China. Except this time, the United States is broke. The US will Balkanize before anything happens to China.

It's probably the concentration camps, organ harvesting, and various other human rights violations, rather than the accumulation of wealth.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/10/asia/xinjiang-china-reeducati...

https://nypost.com/2019/06/01/chinese-dissidents-are-being-e...

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2019/09/04/7570898...

Re: A New Cold War Has Begun (2019)

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Post by sadsadsadsad »

tibbydudeza wrote: post #8
shasheene wrote: post #5

Due to decades of Deng Xiaoping's One Child Policy, China is a slow motion demographic car crash that's impossible to stop. China will "get old before it gets rich", and the days of 6% growth aren't coming back. I recommend anyone interested in geopolitics and the world over the next 30 years to watch this lecture: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AvNT3vyzr0 It's the best overview of the future wealth and strength of…

Well that video is kind of dated ... we have the Trump administration who in 4 years totally managed to end the standing of the US on the world stage.

those words mean nothing. about time the US got back to taking care of itself and "off the world stage".

trump will win no prob and be living in your head rent free another four years ;)

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