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Re: If you see the cops, start recording

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Anyone have any good suggestions for android recorders? Preferably something which will start uploading somewhere (dropbox? A server of my choice via ssh?) ASAP

Would there be demand for an app that streams low-bandwidth video to a ftp server or similar?

Let me install an ssh key and do it via sftp and I at least would buy it

Re: If you see the cops, start recording

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> But before action was taken by city leaders, Buffalo police lied about the incident. In an initial statement, the department said that a person was arrested "during a skirmish with other protesters," and that "during that skirmish involving protesters, one person was injured when he tripped and fell." The video clearly refutes the statement, showing that there was no skirmish around the elderly man, and that the of…

There is parallel with pilots and airplane crashes. There is a tendency for airlines to put the blame on a pilot in case of a crash, this disincentives pilots from speaking the truth. Unfortunately the 'anti cop' sentiment would have the same effect. Imgaine how hard it is for us to admit a mistake at work which brings the website down but here someone's life is at stake. What happens if a cop makes a mistake and cau…

I’d like to read examples of pilots being disincentived from speaking up. On the contrary I always had the impression that, while not perfect, aviation had a very successful approach on recording, learning from and subsequently avoiding human and technical errors.

Re: If you see the cops, start recording

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Are you ready to double the pay of police? If you wanted to go through a lot of training and be held to high standards, you'd probably look for a more lucrative gig than being a cop

Not only am I willing to double it (or more), I'm willing to drastically reduce their duties. We ask far too much of police officers in the US, we need to respect their wellbeing and start addressing root causes of issues. [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RtnQ2GqBeg [2]: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/06/killing-of-george-fl... [3]: https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2020/06/03/457251670...

I 100% agree with this. When you criminalize behavior that is very common, you very naturally create conflict

Re: If you see the cops, start recording

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Cops carry guns because the situation can always get out of hand. Violent criminals still exist in society. EDIT: the ignorant people claiming average police officer does not deal with violent criminals have obviously never worked as a first responder. They deal with rape, suicide, murder, assault, domestic abuse, robbery, every week unless they're some small town cop in a gilded neighborhood. The cops in St. Louis,…

In what percentage of police dispatches do they arrive on scene while an armed suspect is still there? I would guess it's significantly lower than 50% Sure, send armed cops to handle situations that force is likely to needed. But cops don't need guns to take down police reports. Rape victims don't need armed officers to take down police reports. Property crime victims don't need armed officers to take down police rep…

If you see some of my earlier responses. I’m definitely not pro-police and I don’t trust the “justice” system at all when it comes to minorities.

But, not even I would send cops out without guns with the prevalence of guns in America.

Re: If you see the cops, start recording

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This is an argument activists have made for years in favor of gun control. The prevalence of guns in US society has made us objectively far less safe.

There are two things to this: Compare the rate of gun-related crime in a country like Switzerland (where guns are readily available and many people have been trained to use them) with that in Germany (where guns are as rare as hens teeth among the non-criminal contingent of the population) and you'll notice that Switzerland does not suffer unduly under a wave of gun crime. Why not? What is it in Swiss society which m…

Isn’t most crime caused by poverty? I would suspect that a country that both has a functioning government and a reliable social safety net wouldn’t have as much crime as one that doesn’t.

Re: If you see the cops, start recording

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If there's even still looting in NYC, there's not much of it. Every single protest I've been to has been peaceful. The unprovoked assaults by the NYPD on those breaking curfew this entire week have happened during peaceful protests.

> If there's even still looting in NYC, there's not much of it. Please, you need to look beyond NYC. The riots/looting has been happening across the US. I agree that there have been peaceful protesting, but you cannot deny that there have been riots and looting across the US. Some black businesses have also been affected by this. There is no justification for it.

Well, how well did the peaceful protest and Kaepernick kneeling work out in affecting change and getting noticed? Companies that wouldn’t go near BLM with a ten foot pole are actively supporting it.

I have White friends who were mostly silent before but are now actively publicly supporting racial justice causes. I’m not saying they were anti Black justice causes before they just weren’t aware of how bad it was. It didn’t hit them viscerally, their only Black friends were the few high income households that lived in their neighborhoods and in their social circles.

Just like I was never as an adult against LGBTQ rights. I just didn’t care either way. It just wasn’t on my radar until a few years ago.

Re: If you see the cops, start recording

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First of all. Thank God for the police. Thankfully there are men and women that are willing to serve in this role because the Thin Blue Line is a very real thing. There is not very much standing between order and chaos, and after seeing much chaos, I choose order. Having said that, absolutely have a dashcam/recording device in your car. I do and it has saved me from getting a very big fine in addition to providing ho…

Or you could, you know, protest police brutality and misconduct and support police reform. Respect the reality that police are public servants, accountable to us, whose job is to keep us safe, and who have been endowed with great powers to do that job. The second they stop doing that job, they become incredibly dangerous because of those powers. I've always been amazed at the law and order, respect my rights, follow…

How do you support police reform? The majority of the people aren’t affected by police misconduct. It mostly affects minorities. If a politician goes against the police, not only will they be seen as “weak on crime”, they piss off a quasi-military force that is known to harass and threaten politicians who go against them. A large part of the population see the police as their protection against those “thugs” in the inner city.

Re: If you see the cops, start recording

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> Watch some episodes of actual police incidents. It sounds like your perspective is formed form viewing the TV show "Cops". This is not representative of reality. 106 police officers died while on duty in 2018 (of all causes, not just violence from public - 55 officers were feloniously killed while 51 died accidentally). 986 citizens were fatally shot by police in the same year. Situations where police are able to s…

No, I come from a family of first responders. Paramedics, firefighters and cops. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/12/27/police-deaths... 144 died in 2018. 96 already in 2020 and we're not half done. https://www.odmp.org/search/year 986 citizens, of which 47 were un-armed. Twisting stats to feed your narrative won't change reality. They're only vanishingly rare in the least dangerous neighborhoods, which incid…

> 986 citizens, of which 47 were un-armed. Twisting stats to feed your narrative won't change reality.

This argument baffles me. Do the Second and Fifth Amendments not exist? Possessing a firearm is not grounds for summary execution.

Re: If you see the cops, start recording

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There are two things to this: Compare the rate of gun-related crime in a country like Switzerland (where guns are readily available and many people have been trained to use them) with that in Germany (where guns are as rare as hens teeth among the non-criminal contingent of the population) and you'll notice that Switzerland does not suffer unduly under a wave of gun crime. Why not? What is it in Swiss society which m…

Isn’t most crime caused by poverty? I would suspect that a country that both has a functioning government and a reliable social safety net wouldn’t have as much crime as one that doesn’t.

Take a look at Sweden for an example of a country where poverty is more or less absent due to a wide social safety net while crime is on the rise. It is not poverty which causes gangs to go out and rob teenagers of their expensive branded jackets, iPhones and sneakers. Some turn to crime to get luxury items, some do it to dominate others (Denmark has created a specific category of 'dominance crime' for this phenomenon), some do it to gain street cred etc.

Re: If you see the cops, start recording

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Let's be honest here. There are no "close-call mistakes" in the situations which have caused outrage. The problem is that the officers involved have excessive support to defend themselves. If changing that causes some people to "avoid taking a job", good. The public has an interest in them not being in that job.

>There are no "close-call mistakes" in the situations which have caused outrage I agree with you on that! As I said, "the clear cut ones pull at our heartstrings because they are so egregious." The problem as I see it is that it's hard to tailor a bright-line policy that creates increased personal liability for police for their clear abuses of power and brutality, that doesn't also create increased personal liability…

It is impossible to draw a "bright-line" for anything, anytime, anywhere. This is, in fact, why the legal system employs things like juries, standards of evidence, standards of care, and the "reasonable man". And they do pretty well in most cases in handling "reasonable mistakes".

The point here is that none of those are allowed to operate: the police are extended extensive immunity for criminal actions by the structure of the system, as well as immunity from individual civil liability for those actions.

All government officials should be free from nuisance liability suits for their job-related activities. But if a majority of police require immunity from the consequences of criminal activity, you are going to end up with much more than three million dollars of damage.

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