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Re: If you see the cops, start recording

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Post by hn_check »

gootdude wrote: post #89
pjc50 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They resigned in protest at being held accountable: https://twitter.com/DaveGreber4/status/1268977512320819203?s...

They only resigned from the task force, because their union would no longer pay the legal fees related to the protests. "The union representing Buffalo police officers told its rank and file members Friday that the union would no longer pay for legal fees to defend police officers related to the protests which began Saturday in downtown Buffalo and have continued on and off, according to one source. The union is upse…

Police unions are the #1 problem with the implementation of policing. They aren't even a union in any traditional sense, and have virtually no affinity with other unions. It's more like a protection racket.

Re: If you see the cops, start recording

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Post by throwaway2048 »

dominotw wrote: post #68
ryanwaggoner wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a pilot. This isn't remotely a fair comparison. There are lots of very complex and nuanced situations in aviation that require judgment calls. People are going to get it wrong sometimes. We're human. That's a far cry from this situation. There is no "judgment call" here: don't violently shove elderly people to the ground for no reason. If you accidentally do, help them up. If you pass by an elderly person lying o…

> There's no "mistake" here. I wasn't talking about this specific case though, not sure how you inferred that from my comment that shoving old man was a mistake . I was talking about a hypothetical case where it was indeed a mistake.

How about we talk about real, actual documented cases of abuses, and then coverups by police instead of veering off into hypotheticals?

Re: If you see the cops, start recording

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Post by mainframe-mess »

travjones wrote: post #4

Cops may ask you not to record and even threaten you with arrest for recording. Do not be intimidated; it is your right to record without obstructing. If you find yourself in a situation where you might be detained and thereby unable to control interactions with your device, on iPhone you can disable TouchID and FaceID by holding one of the volume buttons and the sleep/wake button simultaneously for a few seconds. Th…

All you have to hold is the power button to disable Touch ID. Adding the volume button does nothing additional on my iPhone 8.

Re: If you see the cops, start recording

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Post by ssklash »

oaue0823 wrote: post #61
ssklash wrote: post #53

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Or you could, you know, protest police brutality and misconduct and support police reform. Respect the reality that police are public servants, accountable to us, whose job is to keep us safe, and who have been endowed with great powers to do that job. The second they stop doing that job, they become incredibly dangerous because of those powers. I've always been amazed at the law and order, respect my rights, follow…

Ok but it's a pretty hard job and mistakes are unavoidable just like with any job. I'm pretty fine here, when I make a code mistake I can fix it, and I'm paid so much more than a cop. I suppose that would be a good reason for me to bitch about cops in general right ? At least, that's what it seems when I read comments on hn the last days.

Because it's a hard job that doesn't pay well we should expect mediocrity? And mediocre is probably a good outcome, considering that bad policing often ends in death. Being president or a member of Congress is a hard job, yet we expect, rightfully so, a damn good job done, or we find someone else. Sure we should pay them better, and I suspect salary increases would be plentiful if you took them out of the military equipment fund they all seem to have.

The police unquestionably have a hard job, and are granted immense powers to do it. We all know what comes with great power. But if the single group of people endowed with the authority to deny you your rights is not held to the highest of standards, can anyone be surprised that so many are having their rights, and even their lives, taken from them?

Re: If you see the cops, start recording

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Post by pionar »

heavyset_go wrote: post #67
travjones wrote: post #4

Cops may ask you not to record and even threaten you with arrest for recording. Do not be intimidated; it is your right to record without obstructing. If you find yourself in a situation where you might be detained and thereby unable to control interactions with your device, on iPhone you can disable TouchID and FaceID by holding one of the volume buttons and the sleep/wake button simultaneously for a few seconds. Th…

> Cops may ask you not to record and even threaten you with arrest for recording. Do not be intimidated; it is your right to record without obstructing. Better advice is to read the situation. Cops can make, and have made, people's lives very difficult, whether through legal harassment, false charges or bodily harm, and it is your word against a cop's when you go before a judge.

Not with video, though.

Re: If you see the cops, start recording

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Post by ryanwaggoner »

schoen wrote: post #85
ryanwaggoner wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a pilot. This isn't remotely a fair comparison. There are lots of very complex and nuanced situations in aviation that require judgment calls. People are going to get it wrong sometimes. We're human. That's a far cry from this situation. There is no "judgment call" here: don't violently shove elderly people to the ground for no reason. If you accidentally do, help them up. If you pass by an elderly person lying o…

When police willfully break rules, there's a very high likelihood that they'll harm an individual, because the police officers' job is (frequently) about use of force against individuals. When pilots willfully break rules, there's a very marginally increased likelihood that they'll cause an aviation accident or incident, because the pilots' job is about safe aviation. If you're a passenger on a plane whose pilot is d…

policing does also have "lots of very complex and nuanced situations [...] that require judgment calls

I completely agree, and I didn't mean to imply otherwise. I just meant to point out that this situation was not one of them.

Re: If you see the cops, start recording

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Post by spiritplumber »

CJefferson wrote: post #3

Anyone have any good suggestions for android recorders? Preferably something which will start uploading somewhere (dropbox? A server of my choice via ssh?) ASAP

Would there be demand for an app that streams low-bandwidth video to a ftp server or similar?

Re: If you see the cops, start recording

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Post by HarryHirsch »

gootdude wrote: post #89
pjc50 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They resigned in protest at being held accountable: https://twitter.com/DaveGreber4/status/1268977512320819203?s...

They only resigned from the task force, because their union would no longer pay the legal fees related to the protests. "The union representing Buffalo police officers told its rank and file members Friday that the union would no longer pay for legal fees to defend police officers related to the protests which began Saturday in downtown Buffalo and have continued on and off, according to one source. The union is upse…

They can do that? Defense of people having legal trouble while doing their job is the central purpose of a union!

The police union should be ordered to pay all legal fees related to excessive force incidents until they are bankrupt. Police unions have been amongst the biggest enablers of police violence in recent times.

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