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Re: Linux Mint Dumps Ubuntu Snap

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Manjaro is install and go. Arch Linux is ... well, if you haven't done it before, you're going to waste at least an hour going through the awful documentation trying to piece together what the installation flow is supposed to be. The beginner's guide was scrapped and the replacement is awful. So if you're new, it's going to be painful. And if you aren't new, it's still painful if you just want to install your OS and…

I agree that installation requires more learning than other distros, but once you get past that I don't understand the problem. I think Arch "just works", too, and I don't see how Manjaro could be better in that regard considering it is closely related to Arch. BTW, you do know you don't ever need to reinstall Arch (on a single machine)? EDIT: > I'm tired of all the tinkering. I'm tired of the additional cognitive lo…

> BTW, you do know you don't ever need to reinstall Arch (on a single machine)?

People say this, but I've found plenty of reason to reinstall Arch (none of it necessarily having to do with Arch, and more trying different distros out of curiosity and Arch remaining my main distro). I always have these discussions with Arch veterans who seem so incredulous about my frustrations with Arch. And I sort of chalk it down to the fact that I ended up installing Arch anew more often than once a year and the last time you or some other vet installed Arch was years ago. I think there's a fundamental disconnect between Arch vets and beginners (or even intermediates), which is clearly shown by the scrapping of the excellent beginner's guide.

Re: Linux Mint Dumps Ubuntu Snap

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Mint. It's Ubuntu without the nonsense. I switched when the Unity thing happened, and haven't looked back. This news about snaps reaffirms my confidence in Mint.

Does Mint allow to safely roll-back package manager operations (i.e. without ever failing)? If not, what other distro allows this (other than Nix)? This is the main feature I'm looking for.

Guix also has rollbacks (and a learning curve) like Nix(OS).

https://guix.gnu.org/

Re: Linux Mint Dumps Ubuntu Snap

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I dumped Ubuntu over Snap. Maybe I’m just ignorant but it seems like allowing developers to push software updates without any review invites the same sorts of issues we’ve seen on npm, with very high risks for certain use cases. I don’t want that kind of relationship with my OS, forced updates are why I ditched Windows in the first place. Aside from the philosophical concerns I ran into a lot of glitches with various…

> forced updates are why I ditched Windows in the first place Samsung has followed suit w/ Android. Once an update is available, the user can defer it three times before the phone is rebooted. Not even Apple pulls this crap.

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Re: Linux Mint Dumps Ubuntu Snap

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Launch times and (silly, but it really bugged me) pollution of my `df` output drove me away.

Yup, the output of df became so cluttered that it became useless. So I created this alias: > alias df='df -x tmpfs -x squashfs -x devtmpfs'

Adding to my dotfiles, thx!

Re: Linux Mint Dumps Ubuntu Snap

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The cost of Arch over anything else is 100% in the installation. After that, it IS Manjaro except you are using the real thing, not a derivative. I've had to trouble shoot Arch far less than any other distro I've ever used.

My main problem with Arch is that there's rarely a point where I feel like I've finished installing. There's always something missing or something not configured right. Shit, dialog still isn't a default package in 2020, which you need to use wifi-menu during the install process. So if you happen to forget to install that (and it isn't mentioned anywhere in the documentation), you're going to have to reboot into the…

> Why in the fuck is dialog an optional dependency?

Not all people who use netctl want wifi-menu.

> it isn't mentioned anywhere in the documentation

It sure is. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Installation_guide -> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Network_configuration -> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Netctl And there on the top of the netctl page it lists in a table dialog as a dependency of wifi-menu.

> Which sort of ties into my next problem which is that Arch simply isn't opinionated enough.

Maybe, but not all people have the same opinions...

Re: Linux Mint Dumps Ubuntu Snap

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From reading the other comments, people just don't like having security updates done automatically - they'd like to have more control when they are performed. Kind of like in Windows, where your computer suddenly shuts down to apply a service pack while you were in the middle of an important World of Warcraft raid that you were planning for weeks. There's always a trade-off between keeping your system secure and bein…

I've seen more than one twitch streamer going into a big stream, get screwed by this. Of course, they should've known. But we've all made that mistake during a demo or presentation at some point or another. Worse yet, when you update ahead of time and drivers or other parts of update are incompatible. Stable configurations are important to a lot of people.

Completely understandable. It would be great to have more control over how and when the updates are run.

Re: Linux Mint Dumps Ubuntu Snap

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Just use Debian. Ubuntu is quite literally Debian+bullshit.

I have the perception (maybe just uneducated guess) that Debian is strictly worse than, say, Arch for personal use. One has to deal with constantly outdated packages, but also with required breaking changes in case of an upgrade from one version to another. EDIT: I was mostly wrong about the "breaking changes", but this seems like a breaking change: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/c... Anyw…

What I really want is a really stable base OS that's managed totally separately from the individual packages I install. It's the experience one gets with MacOS + Homebrew and it's way better than an "... and the kitchen sink" distro that manages your kernel and basic interface-providing software with the same tool & process that installs and updates Super Tux.

(yes I know there are ways to use another package manager on a given Linux distro, even homebrew, but I'd rather see a strong distro built around that idea, not even trying to provide every-friggin'-thing in the distro's software repos)

Re: Linux Mint Dumps Ubuntu Snap

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It's interesting how many distros built on top of Ubuntu are explicitly dropping snaps or throwing their support behind flatpaks: - Linux Mint - ElementaryOS - Pop!_OS Take a hint, Canonical. You guys made some great strides towards being less silo'd by dropping Unity and Mir in favor of vanilla GNOME + Wayland, but you're still all-in on snaps for some reason. Are the handful of proprietary software companies that w…

This polemic attitude is really bad for open-source.

Snap packages are good, and such efforts may help get the Linux desktop rise over the 3%.

Lenovo announced they are fully supporting Ubuntu desktop for two lines of computers.

Re: Linux Mint Dumps Ubuntu Snap

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Does Mint allow to safely roll-back package manager operations (i.e. without ever failing)? If not, what other distro allows this (other than Nix)? This is the main feature I'm looking for.

Guix also has rollbacks (and a learning curve) like Nix(OS). https://guix.gnu.org/

Good to know, but they are not officially supported by NVidia.

https://developer.nvidia.com/cuda-downloads?target_os=Linux&...

Re: Linux Mint Dumps Ubuntu Snap

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I can understand Canonical pushing for snaps. It's their product and they want it to succeed. That said I hate their dirty ways. I find it even morally wrong. How can "sudo apt install chromium-browser" not install the apt package but install instead a snap? How I, as a user and also as a professional, trust Ubuntu if when I use their package manager I'm being tricked? I don't use Windows for a reason, more than one…

What distro? I use Ubuntu because I just want an OS, not a hobby.

No one has suggested openSUSE so I'll go ahead and do that. Mature, stable and great-looking (with KDE).

Been using it for years, including one installation of their rolling release, Tumbleweed, which is surprisingly stable for a bleeding edge distro.

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