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Re: Linux Mint Dumps Ubuntu Snap

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Post by simosx »

fxtentacle wrote: post #46
simosx wrote: post #32

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There are keys to control when these snap updates will happen, https://snapcraft.io/docs/keeping-snaps-up-to-date It is immutable systems that help you with reproducibility. There is no actual change between the snapd setup in Ubuntu 18.04 and Ubuntu 20.04. Where do you get info on unreliable docker deployments? It looks to me that the dislike is emotional in nature.

I use chromium and firefox inside the docker with selenium to automate website tests. So them replacing the chrome apt with snap was exactly what broke my deployment.

Selenium has standalone images with the browser so that you can use them with Docker.

It is too fragile to install yourself all the pieces.

Re: Linux Mint Dumps Ubuntu Snap

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Post by fxtentacle »

L3viathan wrote: post #51
simosx wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are keys to control when these snap updates will happen, https://snapcraft.io/docs/keeping-snaps-up-to-date It is immutable systems that help you with reproducibility. There is no actual change between the snapd setup in Ubuntu 18.04 and Ubuntu 20.04. Where do you get info on unreliable docker deployments? It looks to me that the dislike is emotional in nature.

Can I stop one snap from updating (for example indefinitely), while letting the rest update?

What I miss most is the ability to pin a version. For example, not every Firefox plugin is compatible with every Firefox update. Especially not if you have custom-developed plug-ins using private APIs.

Re: Linux Mint Dumps Ubuntu Snap

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Post by Sevaris »

henriquez wrote: post #12
techntoke wrote: post #6

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Definitely try an Arch-based distro. I run Arch myself, but I've heard good things about Manjaro.

Doesn’t arch also allow arbitrary package upgrades straight from the developers? Again I’m pretty ignorant but my impression looking at it previously was there isn’t any sort of “peer review” by repo maintainers.

You're never forced to update. I'm don't even think Arch natively supports automatic updates. You can also tell pacman to skip a package from being updated if you're aware of a problematic update but you want to update the rest of your system.

And yes, Arch takes in the upstream vanilla packages, though there are testing phases before updates reach stable repos. I'm not sure any of this is a bad thing. It also means you don't have to wait 6-12 months for the newest version.

Re: Linux Mint Dumps Ubuntu Snap

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Post by hashkb »

dathinab wrote: post #44
jimhefferon wrote: post #15

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What distro? I use Ubuntu because I just want an OS, not a hobby.

If you have linux experience Arch Linux can be a good idea. Sure the daunting setup process would fall into the "a hobby" category but once it runs it tends to just keep running as long as you update it from time to time. Using it now for ~5 Years and in that time I had two times problems one was that the new kernel version didn't work with my laptop and another which was fully my fault by doing some "special" boot s…

> Sure the daunting setup process

FWIW I switched from Ubuntu to Arch recently and to me the setup was a breeze. Just follow the instructions. I'm kicking myself for not doing it sooner.

Re: Linux Mint Dumps Ubuntu Snap

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Post by Sevaris »

non-entity wrote: post #57
Sevaris wrote: post #49

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Ugh, no. Manjaro is the no-nonsense "I really don't want to waste time troubleshooting my own shit" version of Arch Linux. I stopped using Arch when I found Manjaro and I'm so glad I did. Arch just requires way too much fiddling for it to ever feel "complete" and or finished.

Does Manjaro do pretty well with wireless and graphics drivers. I honestly want something I can live boot, install and use immediately. I dont mind customizing later, but I've had my fun fighting with getting linux set up.

I've tried it on nVidia and AMD systems, and I'd been using it to troubleshoot customer laptops as a technician. Never had issues with drivers.

Re: Linux Mint Dumps Ubuntu Snap

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Post by _emacsomancer_ »

My number one complaint about Snaps is that they're not portable (despite being labelled "universal packages for Linux"): they start to work less well outside of Ubuntu, and they don't work at all unless you're running systemd. I find this slightly ridiculous given that Flatpaks really do work more universally - they don't require systemd - and they come out of Red Hat - the home of systemd.

Re: Linux Mint Dumps Ubuntu Snap

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Post by simosx »

etaioinshrdlu wrote: post #31

Ubuntu 18.04 LTS is currently super popular for servers. Any thoughts on whether 20.04 is a worthy upgrade for servers, or just a pain? Snaps in particular sound good for desktops but not servers.

If you use LXD, then LXD is provided as a snap. Snap is currently the only packaging for LXD in Ubuntu 20.04 LTS.

I think the Ubuntu 20.04 runtime should be better than Ubuntu 18.04. More fixes, new features and updated versions of packages.

Re: Linux Mint Dumps Ubuntu Snap

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Post by somewhereoutth »

jimhefferon wrote: post #15
Darmody wrote: post #9

I can understand Canonical pushing for snaps. It's their product and they want it to succeed. That said I hate their dirty ways. I find it even morally wrong. How can "sudo apt install chromium-browser" not install the apt package but install instead a snap? How I, as a user and also as a professional, trust Ubuntu if when I use their package manager I'm being tricked? I don't use Windows for a reason, more than one…

What distro? I use Ubuntu because I just want an OS, not a hobby.

Mint. It's Ubuntu without the nonsense. I switched when the Unity thing happened, and haven't looked back. This news about snaps reaffirms my confidence in Mint.

Re: Linux Mint Dumps Ubuntu Snap

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Post by bouncycastle »

From reading the other comments, people just don't like having security updates done automatically - they'd like to have more control when they are performed.

Kind of like in Windows, where your computer suddenly shuts down to apply a service pack while you were in the middle of an important World of Warcraft raid that you were planning for weeks.

There's always a trade-off between keeping your system secure and being available. Most people don't like to trade off availability, and it makes sense.

Re: Linux Mint Dumps Ubuntu Snap

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Post by fxtentacle »

simosx wrote: post #61
fxtentacle wrote: post #46

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I use chromium and firefox inside the docker with selenium to automate website tests. So them replacing the chrome apt with snap was exactly what broke my deployment.

Selenium has standalone images with the browser so that you can use them with Docker. It is too fragile to install yourself all the pieces.

I'm actually quite happy with my Ubuntu 18 based homemade docker image. And lucky for me, 18 still has some years of support ahead of it.

It's just that I know that I cannot update it to Ubuntu 20 without snap breaking things for me.

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