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Re: The Dyson Battery Electric Vehicle

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Post by arethuza »

SideburnsOfDoom wrote: post #28
IshKebab wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well he's never called someone a pedo on Twitter at least.

No, he's a more old school English type, who would do this https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/leave-voter-james-dyson-h... and this https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-dyson-singapore/b... and this https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/24/dyson-will-not...

The subtitle on that last one is "Engineering firm has been told by the government that their services are no longer required" - not sure why that is Dyson's fault!

Re: The Dyson Battery Electric Vehicle

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Post by lowmagnet »

cjrp wrote: post #49
gorgoiler wrote: post #44

Vehicles are weird. I feel like we try to jam all use cases into one, when I really need three different things: 1/ To go to work and back. Same route everyday. Not very long. Currently use a bicycle, but I’ve used mass transit for these very common in-out routes in the past. 2/ Small local journeys. I can’t collect 6kg of wheat from the local farm with a bike or a bus. Taxi is viable if I could get them to wait 20 m…

Could #2 be covered by a car club / rental-by-the-hour kind of thing? ZipCar in the UK is about £8-10/hour with no monthly, so if you're not making the journey frequently that could be suitable? Obviously requires an available car nearby though.

The biggest bill in our time in the UK was the car rental for 1.5 weeks. Something like £1,000, and petrol cost us around £400. I couldn't imagine owning a car in the UK and living in a rural area. I certainly wouldn't want to commute to work via car if I lived there.

Re: The Dyson Battery Electric Vehicle

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Post by Neil44 »

natch wrote: post #57
Neil44 wrote: post #32

Interesting how the battery container is a stressed member of the chassis, I don't think any other manufacturer is doing that.

In Teslas the battery container also is structural, or a stressed member of the chassis as you put it. There are many aspects here copied from Tesla or coincidentally the same, although he conveniently leaves out mentioning that fact at any opportunity. For example the lowering of the car at speed... copied from Model S.

Are you sure Tesla batteries are structural? They don’t look it and I haven’t heard that claimed before. Lowering at speed has been around for a long time it wasn’t invented by Tesla.

Re: The Dyson Battery Electric Vehicle

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Post by creeble »

acallaghan wrote: post #70
ForHackernews wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Things like app connectivity are after thoughts and not core to their products. Good! God help us the day something like a fan or a vacuum cleaner needs "app connectivity".

A good example of intelligent appliances would be like my Samsung washing machine... It had an error, so I called their support line. They asked me to hold down two buttons simultaneously, then put my phone near the door. It let out a 10s or so digital song, the kind that modems did in the 90s - that gave them an entire diagnostic, age, model etc, and they sent someone around as they knew I couldn't fix it. Pretty am…

A counter example of an unintelligent washing machine:

My Whirlpool emitted a diagnostic puddle of water underneath it. I Googled the seal, ordered it from an independent supplier, and installed it myself.

It is now on its 25th year of use with us, and cost less than $400 when new.

Re: The Dyson Battery Electric Vehicle

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Post by m0xte »

barbegal wrote: post #27
cmrdporcupine wrote: post #25

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Good vacuums? Where? Reliability issues and the plastic chassis broke not long after purchase. I won't pay the premium again, that's for sure.

I agree, have you ever seen a cleaning company use a Dyson vacuum cleaner? If they were the best and most reliable then they would all be using them.

Yep. They all use Numatic units here these days.

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Post by stormdennis »

acallaghan wrote: post #70
ForHackernews wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Things like app connectivity are after thoughts and not core to their products. Good! God help us the day something like a fan or a vacuum cleaner needs "app connectivity".

A good example of intelligent appliances would be like my Samsung washing machine... It had an error, so I called their support line. They asked me to hold down two buttons simultaneously, then put my phone near the door. It let out a 10s or so digital song, the kind that modems did in the 90s - that gave them an entire diagnostic, age, model etc, and they sent someone around as they knew I couldn't fix it. Pretty am…

A little bit of me thinks that smells like a smoke and mirrors show as an aid to selling. Last time we got a washing machine repaired was over decade ago and it didn't last long. Pretty quickly realized that replacing worked out cheaper especially if you don't throw money away on stuff like calgon every wash. Happy to buy cheaper dumb washing machines.

Re: The Dyson Battery Electric Vehicle

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Post by netinstructions »

gorgoiler wrote: post #44

Vehicles are weird. I feel like we try to jam all use cases into one, when I really need three different things: 1/ To go to work and back. Same route everyday. Not very long. Currently use a bicycle, but I’ve used mass transit for these very common in-out routes in the past. 2/ Small local journeys. I can’t collect 6kg of wheat from the local farm with a bike or a bus. Taxi is viable if I could get them to wait 20 m…

How about a battery electric cargo bicycle? Like a Tern GSD ($$$) or Radwagon ($)?

The tern gsd can carry 180 kg of cargo and has detachable batteries, so that at least gives you the option of bringing extra batteries for long range. Or haul people or wheat.

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

hodder wrote: post #40
andrewtbham wrote: post #31

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That's not the way you consider manufacturing and accounting. You consider gross margins. You don't disregard the initial capital, you consider depreciation.

Right, but while Tesla has positive gross margins, they have never turned an annual profit (Positive GAAP Net Income).

This is the same as the people who complained that Amazon never turned a profit for many years. But it wasn't because they weren't making money per unit, it was because they were spending it all and then some on expansion.

If you make profitable cars and you want to make profitable cars and trucks then you spend all your car profits building a truck factory. In cash-based accounting that looks like losing money right up until the point that it turns into making twice as much.

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Post by dsr_ »

londons_explore wrote: post #62
cjrp wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could #2 be covered by a car club / rental-by-the-hour kind of thing? ZipCar in the UK is about £8-10/hour with no monthly, so if you're not making the journey frequently that could be suitable? Obviously requires an available car nearby though.

Zipcar isn't profitable because it hasn't really hit critical mass. The zipcar in my street is used maybe only 2 hours per week. It just feels too expensive to use. Also, the fact you can't just park it anywhere when you're done... I wonder if perhaps some kind of "Pay £100 to have unlimited car use for the month" type scheme might work better?

It would be difficult to arrange that price-point. Once you've told someone they have unlimited use, they're going to reserve it 24/7, at which point you need to be charging them the full lease-price plus your margin.

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Post by snarfy »

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #25
signamos wrote: post #18

Moved company to Singapore to pay less taxes while pushing for Brexit because UK's lost sovereignty and the "EU tax". Good vacuums but he's a douche.

Good vacuums? Where? Reliability issues and the plastic chassis broke not long after purchase. I won't pay the premium again, that's for sure.

My wife bought two. I couldn't convince her otherwise. They are a marketing company masquerading as a vacuum company, and she fell for it. They cost about 500% of the other vacuums they are comparable to.

I saw the headline about Dyson making electric vehicle batteries. I clicked the link. I was not surprised by what I saw. Yep, anybody can solder a bunch of panasonic cells together. I wonder if their packs will come in a futuristic looking plastic mold and cost 500% premium.

If you want a good vacuum, I'm quite happy with my Shark.

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