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The Dyson Battery Electric Vehicle

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Re: The Dyson Battery Electric Vehicle

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> Electric cars are considerably more expensive to make and manufacturers are making big losses on the sale of each car. This is rather disingenuous. The Model 3 was one of the most popular new cars sold in the UK last year, Tesla isn’t losing money on those sales. You can’t do a market analysis that ignores the main competitor. If I had to hazard a guess, the real reason James Dyson pulled the plug is a) EV developm…

I agree that the comment is disingenuous, however, I believe the problem for Dyson was that the car he wanted to make was just too expensive. It's not necessarily the case that all electric vehicles are too expensive (and clearly when you look at the EVs in SE Asia, there are some pretty cheap cars). I'd be surprised if he didn't already anticipate the upfront costs. I think it's more that having made the prototype,…

> he realised he couldn't make a product that will disrupt the market at a reasonable price

Dyson's whole lifelong strategy is to disrupt the product and the price. When his vacuum cleaner came out the price was astronomically expensive. People were dumfounded - who would pay so much? But the product was better and people accepted the new price. It still seems high today but it was so successful it somewhat permanently moved the needle on what people think was reasonable.

He also tried this with: fans, washing machines, hair dryers, hand dryers. Some less successful, but an unexpectedly or apparently unreasonably high price is probably deliberately part of his approach.

Re: The Dyson Battery Electric Vehicle

#22
post #8

> Electric cars are considerably more expensive to make and manufacturers are making big losses on the sale of each car. This is rather disingenuous. The Model 3 was one of the most popular new cars sold in the UK last year, Tesla isn’t losing money on those sales. You can’t do a market analysis that ignores the main competitor. If I had to hazard a guess, the real reason James Dyson pulled the plug is a) EV developm…

Tesla has certainly lost money on every sale to date when you consider what they have spent designing the cars and creating the capacity to mass produce them. They may now have unit costs that will allow them to eventually recoup that money and make a profit, but that doesn't just mean you can disregard all the initial capital.

Re: The Dyson Battery Electric Vehicle

#23
It seems they really got out of their depth with this project. There are a lot of photos and videos of aesthetic things that (arguably) Dyson is good at such as the steering wheel user interface, the shaping of the wheel rims and the colour palettes for the paint job. But there is very little evidence of hard engineering, only one grainy video of the prototype car actually running (the other videos appearing to be the car running are definitely good quality renders).

As Elon Musk put it "For cars it's maybe 100 times harder to design the manufacturing system than the car itself." and I think as soon as it dawned on them the scale of the manufacturing process to build this car and all the precisely engineered systems they got cold feet. Yes conceptually a car is similar to a vacuum cleaner, there's a motor, a battery, a control system, a chassis and bodywork but they are in a completely different league in terms of the scale and engineering. A car needs to be able to run safely without faults for 8 hours a day 365 days a year whereas Dyson vacuum cleaners tend to have a lot of reliability problems even when using for an hour each week.

Re: The Dyson Battery Electric Vehicle

#24

The only way to be successful with EVs is to have substantial scale and that scale needs 10’s of billions of dollars, which means public markets or huge private rounds which also means dilution. Many things that are probably unpalatable to Mr.Dyson.

Sadly, I think in trying to make an EV fit into a market full of ICE cars has blinded the public, designers, and engineers that a sedan is not the only form factor an EV can take. Something like the Renault Twizy[0] is an excellent use of EV tech. And it's technically classified as a moped or scooter.

For now we're constructing 2000kg wagons to move 200kg of cargo and that just doesn't seem efficient.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault_Twizy

Re: The Dyson Battery Electric Vehicle

#25

Moved company to Singapore to pay less taxes while pushing for Brexit because UK's lost sovereignty and the "EU tax". Good vacuums but he's a douche.

Good vacuums? Where? Reliability issues and the plastic chassis broke not long after purchase. I won't pay the premium again, that's for sure.

Re: The Dyson Battery Electric Vehicle

#26

Moved company to Singapore to pay less taxes while pushing for Brexit because UK's lost sovereignty and the "EU tax". Good vacuums but he's a douche.

Good vacuums? Where? Reliability issues and the plastic chassis broke not long after purchase. I won't pay the premium again, that's for sure.

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Re: The Dyson Battery Electric Vehicle

#27

Moved company to Singapore to pay less taxes while pushing for Brexit because UK's lost sovereignty and the "EU tax". Good vacuums but he's a douche.

Good vacuums? Where? Reliability issues and the plastic chassis broke not long after purchase. I won't pay the premium again, that's for sure.

I agree, have you ever seen a cleaning company use a Dyson vacuum cleaner? If they were the best and most reliable then they would all be using them.

Re: The Dyson Battery Electric Vehicle

#28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What makes you think that James Dyson does not fit that description?

Well he's never called someone a pedo on Twitter at least.

No, he's a more old school English type, who would do this

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/leave-voter-james-dyson-h...

and this

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-dyson-singapore/b...

and this

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/24/dyson-will-not...

Re: The Dyson Battery Electric Vehicle

#29
post #8

> Electric cars are considerably more expensive to make and manufacturers are making big losses on the sale of each car. This is rather disingenuous. The Model 3 was one of the most popular new cars sold in the UK last year, Tesla isn’t losing money on those sales. You can’t do a market analysis that ignores the main competitor. If I had to hazard a guess, the real reason James Dyson pulled the plug is a) EV developm…

Tesla has certainly lost money on every sale to date when you consider what they have spent designing the cars and creating the capacity to mass produce them. They may now have unit costs that will allow them to eventually recoup that money and make a profit, but that doesn't just mean you can disregard all the initial capital.

That's the same for any economy of scale operation, ICE powered cars included.

Re: The Dyson Battery Electric Vehicle

#30
post #2

Sadly, will not go to production: “We never normally show our aborted projects, however, it felt right to give a glimpse of the Dyson car to show what the team achieved.” https://twitter.com/Dyson/status/1268144470589165570

They claim their batteries are very good so they might end up licensing them to battery manufacturers.
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