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Re: Firefox 77

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Post by roryokane »

kleiba wrote: post #124
Tomte wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, we're not getting it back. I filed a bug, thinking this was an inadvertant side-effect of the new address bar, but it was closed WONTFIX. The old user setting was never really supposed to be used on Windows, just as a workaround for something I don't remember, and the use case is invalid. I still wish I'd get that distinction between single click and double click back.

Yeah, I was aware of that bug report (thanks for filing it). The rationale given is ridiculous, though - anywhere else on my system if I click on a text field, the cursor gets placed where I click and nothing gets selected. It's hard for me to imagine what use case the current behavior is optimized for.

> It's hard for me to imagine what use case the current behavior is optimized for.

I think the current behavior is optimized for people who use the mouse for everything and don’t feel confident enough to edit the URL of the site they’re on. Such people aren’t comfortable with learning new keyboard shortcuts like Ctrl-L or Alt-D, so they will notice an increase in speed because they only have to click once to select the URL. I imagine before they were either triple-clicking or clicking once and hitting Ctrl-A. Then those users type the name of the next site they want to visit, completely replacing the current URL, and press Enter to visit it.

Re: Firefox 77

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Post by roryokane »

aimor wrote: post #74
kleiba wrote: post #29

The biggest item on my wish-list is still a user-option to restore the previous (sensible) click behavior for the address bar: one click places the cursor, double click selects (all, but if I need to triple click for that it would be fine, too). Sadly, this wish will probably not come true any time soon... or ever.

What is the current behavior? For me it is: single click: select all double click: select word single click after selecting something: place cursor

The old behavior, back in Firefox 65, was this:

single click: place cursor

double click: select word

triple click: select all

Re: Firefox 77

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Post by afiori »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #103
skrebbel wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FWIW I quite like it. I'm not sure your dislike is universal, and tbh your comment feels a little https://xkcd.com/1172/ :-)

I don't doubt that every change will have some detractors—but that isn't a reason to shout down all complaints. "It's just a vocal minority—most users like it!" Well, maybe that's true, and maybe it isn't—we'll never know, because this isn't the sort of thing you can measure with analytics. All you can do is listen to feedback. Right now, my comment is sitting at the top of this HN thread, even though we're several u…

For sure it is valuable feedback for Mozilla, but honestly as a long term user of Firefox and based on following various controversies and criticism my aggregate opinion is that many Firefox users often chose the strangest arguments.

A pinch of how "linux is not about choice"[1] would improve the discourse around Firefox.

I understand that many choices Mozilla made are dubious and that the browser is one of the most important pieces of software on a modern computer... still that xkcd looked quite relevant

[1] http://www.islinuxaboutchoice.com/

Re: Firefox 77

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Post by plorkyeran »

huhtenberg wrote: post #112
pcx wrote: post #24

Everyone not happy with pocket recommendations, what is the alternate source of revenue? Not enough will pay for the product. On the other hand Mozilla has to compete with Apple, Google & Microsoft, all of whom are fighting hard for the Web. Mozilla is doing good overall. They are doing some fundamental work to get back the technical edge, still trying to keep the future of the platform open with WebAssembly and thei…

Hold on there for a second. When Pocket was first introduced in Firefox, the official party line was that it was just something temporary donated by the good people of Pocket to plug a feature hole so that you, dear users, won't suffer much while we develop a proper replacement. And now this has somehow transformed into a vitally important revenue stream?

They decided to buy Pocket instead. It's no longer a third-party thing.

Re: Firefox 77

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Post by afiori »

smnthermes wrote: post #136
pcx wrote: post #24

Everyone not happy with pocket recommendations, what is the alternate source of revenue? Not enough will pay for the product. On the other hand Mozilla has to compete with Apple, Google & Microsoft, all of whom are fighting hard for the Web. Mozilla is doing good overall. They are doing some fundamental work to get back the technical edge, still trying to keep the future of the platform open with WebAssembly and thei…

WebAssembly is a security/privacy nightmare: https://www.virusbulletin.com/virusbulletin/2018/10/dark-sid...

by that you mean that it allows for obfuscation and performance?

It sounds quite meek if the worst attack just consumes more of my battery.

Re: Firefox 77

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

cygx wrote: post #90
butz wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll probably try fixing that horrible location bar improvement with some custom userChrome.css https://www.userchrome.org/megabar-styling-firefox-address-b... I already removed some unused items from context menu and it feels great. Sadly, userChrome.css modifications are considered "legacy" and probably one day will be removed. Why can't we have customizable browser UI? I'd prefer Firefox to be more like KDE and le…

Great minds think alike. My userChrome.css now looks like this: https://pastebin.com/L0PWz5BG Note that this also removes the search stuff from the dropdown list, which may or may not be what you want (I prefer the separate search bar). edit: depending on context, the .urlbarView-row:first-of-type { display: none !important } rule does not necessarily remove the right thing; I can live with that, but your mileage may…

I had to go ahead and make a userChrome.css because I couldn't take it anymore. This was the best one (although I did remove .urlbarView-row:first-of-type), so thanks for that. Still looks kind of messy, unfortunately, but an improvement!

Re: Firefox 77

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

afiori wrote: post #153
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't doubt that every change will have some detractors—but that isn't a reason to shout down all complaints. "It's just a vocal minority—most users like it!" Well, maybe that's true, and maybe it isn't—we'll never know, because this isn't the sort of thing you can measure with analytics. All you can do is listen to feedback. Right now, my comment is sitting at the top of this HN thread, even though we're several u…

For sure it is valuable feedback for Mozilla, but honestly as a long term user of Firefox and based on following various controversies and criticism my aggregate opinion is that many Firefox users often chose the strangest arguments. A pinch of how "linux is not about choice"[1] would improve the discourse around Firefox. I understand that many choices Mozilla made are dubious and that the browser is one of the most…

You're right—what Mozilla should really, ideally do, is revert back to the old behavior, with no option to re-enable the new one. :)

Just about any other design would be fine, actually; I'm not married to the old one. No other browser has a URL bar I find particularly offensive.

I would bet a very large sum of money that if you sat every person in the world down in front of two computer screens, and let them play with both URL bar designs side-by-side, a large majority would say they prefer the old design. Not everyone, to be sure—humanity will never agree on what is most aesthetically pleasing—but most. That is why the modern field of graphic design focuses on grids systems and consistent spacing and margins—because most people find them appealing. (Not even to mention the other issues around covering the bookmarks and tab bars.)

If I seem a bit overly worked up about this, it's because working in the graphic design industry has made me very sensitive to poorly-aligned visuals, in the same way type designers become sensitive to bad kerning. And I live in my web browser.

I'll eventually adapt, as most people will. That does not mean this is a good change.

Re: Firefox 77

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Post by hobos_delight »

tgv wrote: post #82
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #54

And now my address bar expands on click, because browser.urlbar.update1 was removed from about:config. I knew this day was coming, but I'm still not happy it's here. The movement is distracting, and the alignment of the bar's expanded state is terrible. There's a reason most graphic design follows a grid system. We need a way to turn this off. I realize the old about:config flag was tied to a legacy code pathway, but…

It's really obtrusive. It takes up too much space, perhaps only by 2 pixels on each side or so, but it's too much, the contrast is too large, the outline is too heavy, and the a m o u n t o f w h i t e s p a c e is plain annoying. Why do they persist in these ugly design shenanigans?

I don't find it that obtrusive and it's likely it would have taken me a while to notice it if it wasn't pointed out in this version and in 76 threads.

When I click it I also get the address bar drop-down with other common addresses in it, which is many many times larger than the small expansion of the address bar - unless I am missing the gripe here.

I don't know why it was needed to expand like that, but it certainly doesn't seem like an egregious use of space to me.

Re: Firefox 77

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Post by MikusR »

MikusR wrote: post #88

For me his release broke uBlock Origin (Dashboard shows only menu without options and doesn't block anything), Twitter doesn't load, Reddit doesn't load

More reports: https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/gv765v/firefox_770... https://www.reddit.com/r/Enhancement/comments/gv9uwt/firefox... https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/gvc7zd/none_of_my_...

Re: Firefox 77

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Post by smnthermes »

throwaway_pdp09 wrote: post #127

To all who aren't happy with the way FX is going, may I suggest palemoon. I've been using it a long while and it's just straighforwardly good. http://www.palemoon.org/ Perhaps the easiest way of letting Mozilla know how you feel is by helping them lose market share to another. PM is a good browser. Not affiliated, it just works for me.

Good suggestion. People shouldn't believe the FUD spread by Firefox fanboys:

1. http://www.palemoon.org/releasenotes.shtml

2. https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=65&t=22270

3. https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=65&t=22399

4. https://old.reddit.com/r/palemoon/comments/evywwj/how_secure...

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