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De-Escalation Keeps Protesters and Police Safer

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Post by throwaway932815 »

stcredzero wrote: post #388
yters wrote: post #328

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cynical tinfoil hat, i think thats the end game get people used to lockdown with the pandemic, then escalate to martial law i predict these riots will only get worse, and will be met with military enforced lockdowns

cynical tinfoil hat, i think thats the end game It's been the clear pattern of Antifa and other far left groups. Sowing chaos and preventing discourse is what they've been doing more and more for several years now.

Antifascist action wants to push the country towards fascism?

E.g. push Trump to declare martial law and cancel elections?

Somehow it sounds unlikely.

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Post by grasshopperpurp »

huonpine wrote: post #462
kuzimoto wrote: post #354

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> Preventing others from interfering should count, no? Sure, but that's not what you asked. I believe the other three will be charged and convicted. At least that what I hope will happen.

Floyd used a $20 note that the store owner thought was counterfeit, called the cops, the cops didn't even check to see that if it was a real $20 note before killing him. It was real...

Quick note: according to the owner, it was a 17 y/o employee that called the cops, and the store's policy is to only call the cops in response to violence. The employee was fired, and the other employees received additional training.

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Post by voganmother42 »

skocznymroczny wrote: post #534
akiselev wrote: post #300

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Protests are an opportunity for those in power to fix things before the protests escalate. They were fine with things as they are now it has escalated. Burning witches might not be enough this time.

How do you fix those things? What are the protesters demands? Are there any concrete demands other than "f* rich people" and "f* capitalism"?

This doesn’t seem to be a question in good faith, but in the event you genuinely don’t understand: the protests are about police brutality and violence.

Protestors don’t have the authority to police themselves, but you seem to want to trivialize their cause because you disagree with the actions of some.

Wanting an accountable police force that does not brutalize those they are sworn to protect is a reasonable request.

End qualified immunity.

The fact that there has been a large amount of violence committed by the police against peaceful protestors and press serves to generally support the cause of the protestors. There is a large amount of video evidence you can see for yourself as well as many protestors have been interviewed repeatedly.

Perhaps listening and reading instead of asserting or injecting your own uninformed opinion would lead to more answers.

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Post by kuzimoto »

komali2 wrote: post #420
kuzimoto wrote: post #354

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> Preventing others from interfering should count, no? Sure, but that's not what you asked. I believe the other three will be charged and convicted. At least that what I hope will happen.

I admire your optimism. As evidence against it: the doctor that performed the autopsy claims there's no evidence that Floyd died of choking, instead blaming "possible narcotics" in his blood stream. No explanation for how the doc knew there were possibly narcotics in his blood stream without knowing exactly what those narcotics were.

It appears toxicology reports can take a long time, as long as several weeks.

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Post by profunctor »

0xBA5ED wrote: post #551
petrocrat wrote: post #542

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The other officers (excluding the one who was standing) involved should also be arrested.

In your opinion. Is that particular detail worth burning down cities over?

Cities aren't being burned down

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Post by ashtonkem »

nicoburns wrote: post #590
0xBA5ED wrote: post #546

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Police officers are humans, believe it or not. Some of them are bad and that will always be true. Regarding your unnecessary insult at the end: Grow up.

The problem is with how these incidents are dealt with when they happen. Ordinary citizens could expect jail time for doing something like this, and that threat helps to protect black people against these bad people. In this specific case , it looks like the police officer will face justice. But that only happened after the huge public outcry, and it didn't happen in countless other cases even when there was a big-bu…

The phrase “the straw that broke the camel’s back” comes to mind.

Yes, outrageous police conduct has happened before. But for some ineffable reason, this one time was one time to many.

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Post by ashtonkem »

0xBA5ED wrote: post #510
celticninja wrote: post #487

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perhaps ask the US police if they could kill unarmed black males at more appropriate times maybe?

The officer responsible was arrested and charged with murder. The other officers on the scene were all fired. Can you explain to me what the protest is about?

If I stood guard so my buddy can strangle someone on video, I’d be in jail for accessory.

So, why are they still free men?

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Post by ashtonkem »

zo1 wrote: post #474
bjourne wrote: post #138

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I've been on a few demos that turned violent. Among them the famous one when George Bush decided to pay a visit. In all cases , the organizers wanted to cooperate with the police. They knew who were in the "autonomous bloc" (troublemakers) and would have gladly helped the police zone in on them. In all cases the police didn't care and charged peaceful and violent demonstrators alike. I find it very odd that the polic…

We're not allowing governments to do the proper, necessary surveillance to control and prevent crimes in general, including ones at demonstrations/protests. Whenever these ideas start popping up, someone always finds some "privacy" concern that spoils a lot of tech-answers to crime and violence, including here on HN. I find it very saddening as the victims of these crimes end up being victims that are ignored by "pri…

The idea that we just need a bit more surveillance to ensure our safety is not a compelling one right now.

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Post by mensetmanusman »

matwood wrote: post #584
snickell wrote: post #543

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0.026% dead As per normal, absolute numbers can be misleading to very smart humans when we have trouble intuiting about vast numbers like "100 million". If the goal is to convey scale accurately, its generally recommended to default report population related measures as per capita percentages. That doesn't mean other measures can't be relevant, but the choice really should be very carefully weighed in order to convey…

The rate seems small because you're apply it across the whole population. So, your number 2 choice is not quite accurate. The question is are people ok with many of their parents and grand parents dying this year? > 0.026% is a number that means "most people don't know anyone well who died of covid19" My wife's grandmother had COVID-19. At 80 years old, she was a lucky one and was asymptomatic. She's in a nursing hom…

???

The number includes everyone who has tested positive, what do you mean by ‘applying it across the whole population’ ?

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