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Re: How to Safely and Ethically Film Police Misconduct

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Post by pmorici »

obblekk wrote: post #43

I find it fascinating that teen vogue is running content like this. I wonder what it says about our society that this is in vogue for teens. Probably that we both have matured and have needed to mature. Reminds me of hongkong students.

There is quite a bit of anecdotal information floating around suggesting that a large portion of the 'loot & riot' crowd are young people not necessarily from the city coming into the city to cause trouble and are separate and apart in their intentions and motivations from the protest crowd made up of people who live in the area and have a direct interest in it.

Re: How to Safely and Ethically Film Police Misconduct

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Post by amiga_500 »

vixen99 wrote: post #55
eganist wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US has underfunded education and training at every fundamental step of life. It's the root of many of our problems.

That does not seem to be the case. The US spends more on education than any other country. $16,268 a year per student vs global average of $10,759". It's evident that money does not translate into better results. "According to the Washington thinktank the National Center on Education and the Economy (NCEE), the average student in Singapore is 3.5 years ahead of her US counterpart in maths, 1.5 years ahead in reading…

Your banks writing $10,000 on a piece of paper, followed by some saying "this basic service costs $10,000" has no relation to value transactions in real countries.

Re: How to Safely and Ethically Film Police Misconduct

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Post by mtts »

fsloth wrote: post #32
roenxi wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Everything most middle-income Americans think about our police forces is wrong. That statement is a bit vague, everyone is going to substitute their own interpretation in. The police don't target racial minorities because they are racist. People who want power over others sign up for policing - and then go after groups who have the least ability to fight back. The middle income might know the symptoms, but they are…

It's hardly inescapable. Police in the nordic countries acts and behaves more or less as a service branch of the government rather as a bully. But they have several years of training whereas US has only - what, a few months? I would say it's about skimping costs in the wrong place. US system is weird that in it's local search of frugal solutions it creates inefficient systems (like the medical sector).

What’s the situation with Nordic police and minorities? Because in the not really Nordic but reasonably civilized Netherlands the supposedly well educated police force is also a known hotbed of racism. Members of the police force in The Hague refer to themselves as “exterminators of Moroccan vermin”. Ethnic profiling is rampant and on at least one occasion a man of color was held down by a group of cops until he died as well.

At least part of the problem is cops themselves.

Re: How to Safely and Ethically Film Police Misconduct

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Post by x86_64Ubuntu »

IanCal wrote: post #50
scarface74 wrote: post #6

Always share the video on social media. Don’t trust the cops or any part of the justice system to do the right thing.

Even if the victims don't want that?

How often does that occur in police misconduct incidences?

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Post by bilbo0s »

RickJWagner wrote: post #69

I'm starting to wonder if we need some formal role for communities in this. Bad cops must be held accountable. But also there must be some way to compel a belligerent person to go along with police (i.e. not resist arrest). Maybe there should be 'community liaisons' or something that would be called out when there is a troublesome situation.

In fairness, part of the idea of using professional cops and not soldiers, was originally that professional cops were from the community and would be better able to interact, or "liaise" with community members. It's just that over the centuries we kind of forgot about that part. In the US we moved to the current system where many of the police may not even live in the communities they serve. Heck, they may not even live in the municipality at all.

It's a better idea to try to make the cops community liaisons by going back to hiring your police from among the people who live in your municipality. You would get more familiar faces out there, and I think you'd get rid of the weekend warrior types from the suburbs or whatever.

But there must be some reason they don't do that because that idea is just way too obvious. Maybe they have data that shows more corruption if the police are from the municipality being served? Or actually probably, the police unions don't allow it? Or something. There's probably a reason.

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Post by Minor49er »

dessant wrote: post #17
samdamsamm wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tonight I witnessed a young girl get knocked out cold by a tear gas canister shot into her face from about a 40 ft. range. She was holding her hands up. There was nothing but peaceful protesters standing around, not blocking traffic. No vandalism anywhere in sight. This was in Louisville, KY. The police fired rubber bullets at the group of people carrying her away to a place on the other side of the line of humvees b…

You don't even need to leave your porch to get shot. Police and National Guard are patrolling neighborhoods and shooting civilians with paint canisters on their own property in Minneapolis. In one case they yelled "Light 'em up!" before starting to shoot [1] with ammunition that could blind people. It's legal to be outside your house during the curfew in Minneapolis [2]. > Can I be outside my house (on my property) a…

There's a clear curfew order to stay inside. The police come by and see five young adults sitting on a porch. The police order them inside. The group responds by sitting there and continuing to film. So the police fire a single non-lethal shot to get them to go inside. I dont have any sympathy for this group or their pair of greened jeans that they lost in this altercation.

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Post by tokai »

mtts wrote: post #73
fsloth wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's hardly inescapable. Police in the nordic countries acts and behaves more or less as a service branch of the government rather as a bully. But they have several years of training whereas US has only - what, a few months? I would say it's about skimping costs in the wrong place. US system is weird that in it's local search of frugal solutions it creates inefficient systems (like the medical sector).

What’s the situation with Nordic police and minorities? Because in the not really Nordic but reasonably civilized Netherlands the supposedly well educated police force is also a known hotbed of racism. Members of the police force in The Hague refer to themselves as “exterminators of Moroccan vermin”. Ethnic profiling is rampant and on at least one occasion a man of color was held down by a group of cops until he died…

Police in Denmark are bullies too. Breaking basic rights, assaulting citizens, covering for each other, lobbying against body cams and visible identifiers on cops like numbers, etc. Profiling is legal and used extensively.

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Post by shigawire »

bilbo0s wrote: post #75
RickJWagner wrote: post #69

I'm starting to wonder if we need some formal role for communities in this. Bad cops must be held accountable. But also there must be some way to compel a belligerent person to go along with police (i.e. not resist arrest). Maybe there should be 'community liaisons' or something that would be called out when there is a troublesome situation.

In fairness, part of the idea of using professional cops and not soldiers, was originally that professional cops were from the community and would be better able to interact, or "liaise" with community members. It's just that over the centuries we kind of forgot about that part. In the US we moved to the current system where many of the police may not even live in the communities they serve. Heck, they may not even l…

There are rules like this in Chicago but you just get police and fireman enclaves right at the edge of city limits.

Also walking beats is less common so there is no familiarity

Re: How to Safely and Ethically Film Police Misconduct

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Post by curryst »

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #63
hkai wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Correct. If you are filming someone, be aware that your video may be used as proof in court - for example, to prove that a person was indeed resisting arrest. It's best to not release it to anyone except to the victim's lawyers who will make sure the video supports their case instead of undermining it.

Only unethical lawyers? Suppressing evidence can get them disbarred.

Ianal, but I wouldn't think the defense attorney would be required to share that? Wouldn't it violate your clients right to not self-incriminate?

The prosecution is definitely not allowed to suppress evidence that would demonstrate someone's innocence, but I don't think the same is true of the defense.

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