US customs and border protection is flying a surveillance drone over Minneapolis

Post by tdfx » Sat, May 30, 2020, 6:39 AM UTC

StylusEater wrote: post #416

roenxi wrote: post #379

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There seems to be a slightly schizophrenic relationship between the public and the government. The rather vocal wings of political discourse understand that half the time government will be controlled by people they really don't like. However the practical resistance to giving said people access to and control over major aspects of people's lives seems to be rather weak.

No kidding about the schizophrenia. I don’t understand how people can implore the government to do more such as UBI or universal healthcare yet in the same breath complain about not being able to trust the “police state.” I doubt we can have privacy and a strong effective government. A strong government will be one that’s in your life a lot. Whether it’s under the auspices of good intent or not is probably irrelevant…

Post by dang » Sat, May 30, 2020, 8:32 AM UTC

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Do you think that telling someone to "shut up and listen for five minutes" is an effective way to communicate your message? How would you respond to such a lead-in?

Personally? I would shut up and listen to their thesis statement. I would carefully examine the main foundational and historical claims which underlie the thesis, and I would consider the demands which accompany the complaint and how those demands might, when fulfilled, change and improve the lives of the movants. I'm not sure why this is so hard for you. Surely you've shut up and listened to people before?

Post by tinus_hn » Sat, May 30, 2020, 11:08 AM UTC

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hindsightbias wrote: post #242

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Blue Thunder was 37 years ago. Not seeing why drones will be so much more easily weaponized than manned helicopters. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Thunder

There are a couple of major differences. My understanding is that helicopters can’t typically reach and maintain the altitude that unmanned drones can, making drones more effective to be used in less conspicuous ways. There’s also the difference in the baseline level of security between the two. Helicopters do go down from time to time, thus creating a human risk that isn’t present in drones. I feel that since drones…

Post by virmundi » Sat, May 30, 2020, 12:46 PM UTC

cma wrote: post #330

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It is for cops. IA has to proceed with an investigation following specific rules. Like if the cop is questioned without a union rep that evidence might get tossed.

Isn’t that for firing them, not criminal charges?

Post by cjslep » Sat, May 30, 2020, 1:58 PM UTC

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If you want to play the anecdote game: There's also a local Indian Restaurant whose owner was on the phone with the police while watching it burn on the local news, and he basically said "Let it burn. If that's what it takes to get justice." Insurance will replace the buildings and stuff. Insurance can't bring George back, nor can it undo a bad system.

> Insurance will replace the buildings and stuff. Insurance only works for the insured.