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The Day AppGet Died

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Re: The Day AppGet Died

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Post by theIV »

solarkraft wrote: post #14
banana_giraffe wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I doubt it. I've hinted at in comments here in the past, but I have one such story. It's a footnote, at best, in MS's history, and a thing for a now-dead product, but they turned what I thought was a cool product into their own thing then disappeared it through internal MS politics. I don't tell the story in any details since I don't want those details getting back to the real me and having a negative impact on my ca…

How could a gigantic corporation stealing your idea be seen as negative?

I don’t think it has to do with the corporation that did the stealing but more other corporations that might infer things from the retelling.

Plenty of other corporations, of varying sizes, want to steal ideas.

Comments on the internet can be interpreted in a myriad ways.

Re: The Day AppGet Died

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Post by mxcrossb »

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #38
pavlov wrote: post #12

The story reminds me of Andy Hertzfeld’s Switcher: https://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&stor... The difference is that, in 1984, Bill Gates immediately offered $40k and Steve Jobs offered $100k for plugging a hole in their operating system. In 2020, Microsoft just strings you along on vague promises while they simultaneously rip you off.

I love how those stories of the early years are so different from what I think of looking at companies today - > Jeff picked me up at the airport, and we drove to Microsoft's main building where we were joined by Neil Konzen, a talented 23 year old who was Microsoft's main systems programmer on the Macintosh. I knew Neil from his days as an early Apple II hobbyist, when we collaborated on adding features to an assemb…

The really direct and aggressive negotiating from Jobs and Gates also makes for an interring read.

Re: The Day AppGet Died

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

zitterbewegung wrote: post #43
yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I love how those stories of the early years are so different from what I think of looking at companies today - > Jeff picked me up at the airport, and we drove to Microsoft's main building where we were joined by Neil Konzen, a talented 23 year old who was Microsoft's main systems programmer on the Macintosh. I knew Neil from his days as an early Apple II hobbyist, when we collaborated on adding features to an assemb…

You do realize that Microsoft Word has been on the Mac since 1985 suite and even the first Microsoft Flight Simulator was on the Apple II? Also Applesoft basic was derived from Microsoft basic? Yes, they did copy the operating system but that doesn't mean that the Mac Platform is unimportant to them.

I'm perfectly familiar with Microsoft being an application vendor for Apple's platforms, long before that was Macintosh:) What threw me off with the notion of them employing a systems programmer for a non-MS OS.

Re: The Day AppGet Died

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Post by BetaDeltaAlpha »

benatkin wrote: post #24

I don't want to support this company. What are good alternatives to GitHub, TypeScript, npm, and Visual Studio Code (besides Atom)?

Gitlab is a contender for sure. I use it at my dayjob. I don't know if any of the other big editors have caught up to VSCode in terms of ecosystem though.

Re: The Day AppGet Died

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Post by lostmsu »

solarkraft wrote: post #17
lostmsu wrote: post #2

That is exactly why I am not open sourcing my .NET bindings for TensorFlow.

How much will that really change the likelihood of MS reimplementing it? They didn't take any of the AppGet code, just the ideas.

They might. But it is not as simple as WinGet. It would take a team or two a couple of years to reimplement. ML.NET is 2 years old now, still has very limited deep learning capabilities, and is barely visible in trend graphs.

While they would be doing that, Azure will continue to lag behind (still does not even offer T4) on GPU offerings in comparison to AWS and GCP, because there's no compelling reason to run custom deep learning workloads on Azure. Azure is loosing $$$ millions of potential revenue to that. It would be a totally different story if .NET folks would get full TensorFlow and/or PyTorch in place of partial ports available now.

Re: The Day AppGet Died

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Post by lame88 »

intern4tional wrote: post #49
ak39 wrote: post #7

Man, this hurt to read. Keivan’s response is the right one. But I wonder if the arrangements and outcome would have been different had AppGet been closed source. This is just not cricket from team Microsoft.

This isn't secret news, but when you interview at MS there is always a secret / hidden interviewer. This is publicly known information from Cracking the Coding interview. This person is called the as appropriate and you only meet them if you pass all the prior interviews. Per his writeup, he did not meet that person, which means that he most likely did not pass the interview. He also for some reason didn't follow up…

> And then, I didn’t hear anything back from anyone at Microsoft for six months.

This does not mean he did not ask during that time.

Re: The Day AppGet Died

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Post by person_of_color »

apetresc wrote: post #22

I have a sneaking suspicion that part of the reason for the sudden radio-silence after his on-campus interview is that someone up the chain realized he is also the creator of Sonarr and just nobody wanted to take ownership of that potential liability.

This.

Choose your side projects wisely.

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