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The Day AppGet Died

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Re: The Day AppGet Died

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

lostmsu wrote: post #2

That is exactly why I am not open sourcing my .NET bindings for TensorFlow.

I don't know the details of your project, but what if you open sourced under the GPL?

I feels as though the world has soured on the GPL in recent years, but whenever I see this type of sentiment—that open sourcing work is just a gift from small developers to big tech companies, or something thereabouts—I think, wouldn't the GPL solve that problem?

Sure, big companies can still use GPL'd code, but they're forced to give back as much as they take, which is exactly the outcome you want.

(This doesn't necessarily apply to the situation with AppGet, however.)

Re: The Day AppGet Died

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Post by bluGill »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #4
lostmsu wrote: post #2

That is exactly why I am not open sourcing my .NET bindings for TensorFlow.

I don't know the details of your project, but what if you open sourced under the GPL? I feels as though the world has soured on the GPL in recent years, but whenever I see this type of sentiment—that open sourcing work is just a gift from small developers to big tech companies, or something thereabouts—I think, wouldn't the GPL solve that problem? Sure, big companies can still use GPL'd code, but they're forced to gi…

Big companies are more likely to give back to non gpl code in my experience. The gpl scares them enough that when they use it they isolate it carefully so they don't have to make changes. Non gpl code (depending on license terms of course) get embedded where it is easier to need changes and then a desire to keep up with some other feature means they contribute back.

Of course either way they are a business and will be careful. Their core business will not be contributed.

Re: The Day AppGet Died

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Post by ak39 »

Man, this hurt to read. Keivan’s response is the right one. But I wonder if the arrangements and outcome would have been different had AppGet been closed source.

This is just not cricket from team Microsoft.

Re: The Day AppGet Died

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Post by banana_giraffe »

WrtCdEvrydy wrote: post #3

I wonder if one day we'll know of all the stories of people who got wined-dined-fucked by the large corporations who then release their own version of an existing product.

I doubt it. I've hinted at in comments here in the past, but I have one such story. It's a footnote, at best, in MS's history, and a thing for a now-dead product, but they turned what I thought was a cool product into their own thing then disappeared it through internal MS politics.

I don't tell the story in any details since I don't want those details getting back to the real me and having a negative impact on my career for whatever reason.

Re: The Day AppGet Died

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Post by pdonis »

ak39 wrote: post #7

Man, this hurt to read. Keivan’s response is the right one. But I wonder if the arrangements and outcome would have been different had AppGet been closed source. This is just not cricket from team Microsoft.

> I wonder if the arrangements and outcome would have been different had AppGet been closed source.

All of the Windows apps that MS did this to back in the 1990s were closed source. Didn't help. MS has more than enough horsepower to just reverse engineer whatever they can't get the source code for if they care enough about the features.

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