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> I’m not sure how you expect to have a productive conversation when, in this and parallel comments, you’ve made several insinuations that I’m a conscienceless lizard person. Your reaction that perhaps corporations shouldn't apologize when they do something wrong if it have any selfish benefit, does lack conscience and is a wholly inappropriate reaction to this situation. Discussing the self-centered strategic merits…
I appreciate your candor in pointing out that you don’t consider my perspective to be appropriate. I suspect, in light of that, that we’ve bottomed out the utility of this thread.
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People do make mistakes. Sometimes people really do just fuck up. We're only human. All of us. Whether you're a CEO or just a worker. Whether it's even heartfelt or not, it's nice to see someone without any bullshit or wishy washy words, just straight up say, sorry everyone, i really fucked up. Personally, i appreciate the honesty from people, whether they mean it or not, it still takes some bit of honour and humblen…
How many times have we heard Zuckerberg say "I'm sorry, we let down our users" in a eloquent and humble and seemingly heartfelt way, only to find they were right then in the middle of an even more brazen abuse of their users? Do you suppose Ammon truely realises this plan was a totally unacceptable betrayal of his users, or that he admires and aspires to be Zuckerberg still?
Ammon has done this once. I think everyone deserves a second chance, and maybe even a third. Zuckerberg has had way more than that.
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You can’t install business processes to prevent unethical decisions. You can only hold the people making those decisions to high ethical standards, and replace them when they fall short of those standards. Now, I suppose it may be possible that the CEO in this situation dramatically misunderstood the situation. It may even be possible that he had good faith even as he militantly defended those misunderstandings in pr…
Exactly. I went through their process to delete my account on Saturday or Sunday, and still received their apology letter. This suggests my account was not deleted?
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Exactly. I went through their process to delete my account on Saturday or Sunday, and still received their apology letter. This suggests my account was not deleted?
They could delete almost all the data in your account, but still hold onto your email address?
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#665My biggest takeaway from the reaction to this letter is that people seemingly would have rather had this CEO’s sincere and heartfelt words filtered through a PR agency, who would have mangled the genuine sentiments to create sterile and thoroughly-filtered corporate bullshit. People would rather be spoon fed crap from a campaign team than listen to the earnest, well-intentioned, real voice of the person who wrote them. What kind of a world are you creating when you reward an honest, but imperfect, apology with derision and judgement?
I have no stakes in this game. I’ve never used TripleByte’s services to seek employment. I don’t know how to code. But I believe in merit-based hiring, and I would not be so eager to burn to the ground this company that I think is performing a valuable service (to individuals, but also in shifting trends of hiring practices as a whole) over an oversight that they owned up to after a night’s sleep to reprocess.
The world I want to live in is one in which people are hired based on their capabilities, and where people are willing to extend trust and forgiveness to people when they are being honest and owning up to their oversights. The flaws in this letter that commenters are tearing apart make it clear to me that this CEO is a rare example of someone not lying through the teeth of a campaign team. I value that much more than the facade of perfection.
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That’s one way of reading it. Another, more cynical reading is that if companies are amoral in the first place, why do they bother issuing insincere apologies that don’t actually benefit them? Less of a, “companies should be sociopathic” and more of a, “why do these sociopathic companies behave in this way that’s inconsistent with their otherwise-well-demonstrated pattern of sociopathic behavior?” And sure, maybe the…
This, essentially. But more specifically: if I were in Triplebyte’s shoes, I’d have probably done one of two things: Either just release the feature anyway, and maybe default it to opt-in for people with existing content, maybe make it “only content from $now forward is public”, something to that effect. Halt the feature, but expend the minimum possible effort on the message out: “Hi all, we’ve reconsidered the featu…
You have accused me of misinterpreting your intent elsewhere, but really I don't know how you expect me to interpret this that would cast you in a more positive light. You're saying you would do unethical things, so I don't think I'm off-base to say you might be unethical.
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#667I'm for a competitor to LinkedIn, but I never got an answer to what the play was after opening up profiles. I support TripleByte's mission, yet I don't believe that you have critical mass in both job seekers nor in sway to convince companies/recruiters to change their process. What was/is TripleByte's plan to "push the industry to look beyond traditional credentials" ? [1] [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=232…
The Triplebyte process sounds difficult enough that, paraphrasing one user experience I read: "someone who would pass the Triplebyte interview/process is likely someone who probably wouldn't have needed to use Triplebyte in the first place". From what I understand, Triplebyte is supposed to help candidates that might be "good", but not getting any traction from applying to jobs (either by themselves or contacting a r…
As for recruiters, I get contacted a lot but I have yet to meet a recruiter who was willing to work with me to communicate to hiring managers why my resume looks the way it does. All of them just want to drop off your resume and put in no effort in helping you which is no different from cold applying.
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I like decentralized in some places, and centralized in others. I think decentralized can and should replace Facebook, LinkedIn, blogs, and similar. On the other hand, there are a lot of places where centralized, with proper checks-and-balances, allows for a larger degree of scientific research and transparency. Medical and education come to mind.
How about this dichotomy: 1. Infrastructure should be more decentralized and let nameless providers compete 2. Information should be available to everyone and let nameless authors collaborate 1 produces a market of prices and competition, while 2 produces a collaborative edifice of knowledge and well architected software.
I'd like information to either be under my control, or managed as a public good by a non-profit or government agency with appropriate checks-and-balances and transparency.
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I'm surprised they didn't consider beta testing the feature with a subset of users to see how it'd go first.
We did user research about the profiles, but not (crucially) about the opt-out release. That was the fuck up.
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Re: Tell HN: Triplebyte reverses, emails apology
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This, essentially. But more specifically: if I were in Triplebyte’s shoes, I’d have probably done one of two things: Either just release the feature anyway, and maybe default it to opt-in for people with existing content, maybe make it “only content from $now forward is public”, something to that effect. Halt the feature, but expend the minimum possible effort on the message out: “Hi all, we’ve reconsidered the featu…
So basically, if you were in TripleByte's shoes, you'd react without conscience? You have accused me of misinterpreting your intent elsewhere, but really I don't know how you expect me to interpret this that would cast you in a more positive light. You're saying you would do unethical things, so I don't think I'm off-base to say you might be unethical.