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Re: China’s Communist Party and Its American Media Enablers

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Post by kmonsen » Wed, May 27, 2020, 6:58 AM UTC

woutr_be wrote: post #14

Barrin92 wrote: post #10

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>It's part of the reason why Hollywood movies have devolved into such pablum--you can't risk pissing of China now that 1/2 of your income is due to the Chinese release. You also could never afford to piss America off, which is why every other protagonist in hollywood movies is some Tom Cruise lookalike who combats people who speak English in a broken Russian accent. Just seems normal to me, the only difference is tha…

> You also could never afford to piss America off, which is why every other protagonist in hollywood movies is some Tom Cruise lookalike who combats people who speak English in a broken Russian accent. This is different tho. You can produce a movie that pisses off people, and still have it play in theatres. If you make a movie that pisses of the Chinese government, not necessarily the people, then that movie won't ev…

Hollywood used to have is own moral code and that is not all that different: https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=933011...

Re: China’s Communist Party and Its American Media Enablers

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Post by nxc18 » Wed, May 27, 2020, 6:58 AM UTC

jimmaswell wrote: post #24

nxc18 wrote: post #17

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The internment camps are still in living memory fwiw. I don’t know if it’s whataboutism so much as recognizing that China is back to business and the US really isn’t, China published the genetic sequence and made substantial contributions to fighting the disease while the CDC was busy producing faulty test kits, and the US has been systematically undermining the global health system while trying to put blame on the W…

> better job than the US at taking care of it’s people (except minorities, but the US isn’t exactly a model there either). https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protes... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_China https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/china-forcefully-harvests... What is America doing to minorities that tops all of this?

* 30+ years ago, but ok. I’ll raise you slaughtering college kids protesting Vietnam. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings

* China releases their own report. http://download.xinhuanet.com/english/Human%20Rights%20Recor... (Note: I don’t actually think China is better than the US overall, they are far worse, I just don’t like the implication that they differences are of kind, rather than degree)

* organ harvesting is clearly bad, but it’s hard to argue it’s worse than plain murder given lives are saved in the process.

The Chinese report on US human rights helps answer your last question.

Re: China’s Communist Party and Its American Media Enablers

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Post by myopenid » Wed, May 27, 2020, 7:06 AM UTC

jimmaswell wrote: post #24

nxc18 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The internment camps are still in living memory fwiw. I don’t know if it’s whataboutism so much as recognizing that China is back to business and the US really isn’t, China published the genetic sequence and made substantial contributions to fighting the disease while the CDC was busy producing faulty test kits, and the US has been systematically undermining the global health system while trying to put blame on the W…

> better job than the US at taking care of it’s people (except minorities, but the US isn’t exactly a model there either). https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protes... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_China https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/china-forcefully-harvests... What is America doing to minorities that tops all of this?

Roping China into this is akin to saying "America kills high school students for fun" for what a few psychos did.

Re: China’s Communist Party and Its American Media Enablers

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Post by killjoywashere » Wed, May 27, 2020, 7:06 AM UTC

Is there a bot that can look up news organizations for us and report basic facts, like

Long name: International Policy Digest

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Founder: John Lyman

Founded in: 2011

Crunchbase: not found

Wikipedia: not found

Re: China’s Communist Party and Its American Media Enablers

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Post by abroter » Wed, May 27, 2020, 7:10 AM UTC

you guys don't live in China, you know nothing about China, I don't know where did you get these information about China. But you can say what you think, that's your freedom.

Re: China’s Communist Party and Its American Media Enablers

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Post by tarsinge » Wed, May 27, 2020, 7:13 AM UTC

jillesvangurp wrote: post #23

The premise of this article is that the US is the victim of Chinese incompetency. The opening sentence more or less tries to state that as a fact. Basically, the authors are parroting Trump here. The reality is that Wuhan has been open for business again for two months or so after China dealt swiftly and efficiently with the pandemic while the US was still in denial about having a crisis while at the same time experi…

I’m amazed this is downvoted. Two wrong don’t make a right, China was incompetent, and yes the US (Trump) were incompetent too. As an European I agree with you, the article is Trump parroting/propaganda.

Re: China’s Communist Party and Its American Media Enablers

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, May 27, 2020, 7:14 AM UTC

jimmaswell wrote: post #24

nxc18 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The internment camps are still in living memory fwiw. I don’t know if it’s whataboutism so much as recognizing that China is back to business and the US really isn’t, China published the genetic sequence and made substantial contributions to fighting the disease while the CDC was busy producing faulty test kits, and the US has been systematically undermining the global health system while trying to put blame on the W…

> better job than the US at taking care of it’s people (except minorities, but the US isn’t exactly a model there either). https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protes... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_China https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/china-forcefully-harvests... What is America doing to minorities that tops all of this?

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Re: China’s Communist Party and Its American Media Enablers

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Post by jimmaswell » Wed, May 27, 2020, 7:16 AM UTC

nxc18 wrote: post #26

jimmaswell wrote: post #22

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I feel like I'm in the Twilight zone seeing these kinds of equivalencies made online. "China does organ harvesting and brutally supresses the entire populace's rights and did Tiananman Square and arrests and interrogates you for criticizing the police but we had internment camps in WW2 so look in a mirror and stop talking about China" ..no, I'm not going to "stop roasting" China just because my country, like every co…

Yeah, there’s lots of bad on both sides. Here in the US we have crimes like Driving While Black. There was just a high profile execution the other day that made headlines, but most fly under the radar. We also just killed 100,000 people, minimum, through deliberate incompetence, so there’s that. Technically it’s the past, but in practical terms it’s the present. I’ll remind you that Tiananmen Square was quite a while…

> people in the US kind of have them sometimes, assuming they’re the right color or have enough money

Complete hyperbole. Squint as hard as you can but the poorest minority in America is still better off than almost anyone in China. Yes we have a racial profiling problem but on the whole we have our rights much more than "kind of sometimes."

Yeah, we have an incompetent administration this time around. At least we have real elections with more than one real candidate.

Last part is a total non sequitur and would make as much sense flipped around.

Re: China’s Communist Party and Its American Media Enablers

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Post by tarsinge » Wed, May 27, 2020, 7:17 AM UTC

nxc18 wrote: post #12

It’s so exhausting having to live through this ridiculous propaganda war. Everyone seems to suck here, but there’s so much finger pointing. The people on the US side of the isle seem to be especially frantic now that it’s abundantly clear they dropped the ball about 100,000 times (underestimate) and trashed their economy in the process. Can we stop pointing fingers and just take a break ffs? Everything China does the…

The first part of your comment is my sentiment watching this from Europe. I disagree with the second part though.

Re: China’s Communist Party and Its American Media Enablers

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Post by orwin » Wed, May 27, 2020, 7:28 AM UTC

myopenid wrote: post #33

jimmaswell wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> better job than the US at taking care of it’s people (except minorities, but the US isn’t exactly a model there either). https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protes... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_China https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/china-forcefully-harvests... What is America doing to minorities that tops all of this?

Roping China into this is akin to saying "America kills high school students for fun" for what a few psychos did.

Disagree, this is a systemic issue in China. it started in the 90s: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Go...

and even if it's not state-sanctionned anymore, the triads lead human organ harvesting in SE Asia and at least take part of the trade in India and east Africa.

The same way the human sex trafficking is a real issue in China. The eastern european bride cliché that do happen sometime in europe (and in the US too apparently) is way more pervasive in china, as even middle class people takes on foreign involuntary brides as the gender imbalance among sexually active people grows (and it is still growing).