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MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by abathur »

oefrha wrote: post #312
oefrha wrote: post #32

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I mean, when I’m developing in a compiled language with the workflow edit code -> compile -> run (with forced stapling), changing it to edit code -> compile -> staple -> run doesn’t make it any less slow...

An update: flat out denying network access to syspolicyd using Little Snitch could cut down on the delay. (Yes, syspolicyd does send a network request to apple-cloudkit.com for every single new executable. Denying its access to apple-cloudkit.com only isn't sufficient either since it falls back to IP address directly.) Note that this might not be a great idea, and it still has nonzero cost — a network request has to…

> interestingly, toggling it off doesn't bring back the delay for some reason

Noticed the same; it should come back if you disable it and reboot.

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by m463 »

verytrivial wrote: post #895
gitgud wrote: post #682

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Richard Stallman's ideals have become a bit less crazy for me now... Either you have the ability to control the software, or it controls you

I think coming to this realisation about Stallman's ideas (not the man, mind) is something that most rational computer users are bound to do. It happens at different times for different people, but I think people very rarely go back after that "Hang on a second ....??" moment.

I remember once he said "proprietary software subjugates people" and I just sort of blinked a bit. It seemed sort of over the top. And over time I started to understand that the way things end up working out, it is very true.

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by ether_at_cpan »

mbreese wrote: post #23
nromiun wrote: post #2

> This is not just for files downloaded from the internet, nor is it only when you launch them via Finder, this is everything. So even if you write a one line shell script and run it in a terminal, you will get a delay! > Apple’s most recent OS where it appears that low-level system API such as exec and getxattr now do synchronous network activity before returning to the caller. Can anyone confirm this? Because hones…

There are two new Security/Privacy Settings that I just noticed last night. "Full Disk Access" to allow a program to access any place on your computer without a warning. A few programs requested this, so it looks like it's been around for a while. The other one is "Developer Tools" and it looks pretty new. The only application requesting it is "Terminal". This "allows app to run software locally that do not meet the…

via https://lapcatsoftware.com/articles/catalina-executables.htm..., I've added an entry in my /etc/hosts to block requests to api.apple-cloudkit.com:

    127.0.0.1 api.apple-cloudkit.com
    127.0.0.1 *.api.apple-cloudkit.com

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by happymellon »

moe wrote: post #967
green7ea wrote: post #950

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Sleep has been working on my last ~10 laptops and desktops, it's a non-issue at this point unless you have brand new exotic hardware. I did have a motherboard issue on a first-gen Ryzen that required a bios update to get it working. hi-dpi works very nicely if you use GTK or Qt. For the other apps, it really depends how they are implemented. For me it has been working better than Windows. These are strawman agruments…

> you'll see stuff pretty much just works The problem is the "pretty much" part. We all know what that means in practice. That's why OSX is popular.

Then you cannot possibly have used MacOS. There is plenty of flakey edges, that actually don't work very well.

Fucking multiple desktop shit.

My MacBook Pro can't even remember the order of my monitors when it goes to sleep, or between reboots. Even Linux can do that.

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by happymellon »

green7ea wrote: post #950
nottorp wrote: post #870

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Sadly it's not the "shiny"... it's the fact that Mac OS has a GUI that works. Been using linux since the days you installed Slackware from floppies and recompiled your kernel to get drivers. Command line has always been a bliss, but no one has managed to come up with an usable and consistent GUI yet. Btw does sleep work on linux laptops these days? How's hi dpi support?

Sleep has been working on my last ~10 laptops and desktops, it's a non-issue at this point unless you have brand new exotic hardware. I did have a motherboard issue on a first-gen Ryzen that required a bios update to get it working. hi-dpi works very nicely if you use GTK or Qt. For the other apps, it really depends how they are implemented. For me it has been working better than Windows. These are strawman agruments…

Sway does HiDpi nicely as well, so you don't even have to use the Gnome/KDE pair.

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by bitcharmer »

chacha2 wrote: post #731
bitcharmer wrote: post #266

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> Linux was always a disaster in terms of user experience and isn't improving. This as true today as saying java is slow. Why not just try? You might get pleasantly surprised.

I've tried it recently and still find it true. Death by a million paper cuts.

What did you try recently? Java or Linux?

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by happymellon »

andy_ppp wrote: post #863
ComodoHacker wrote: post #837

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>Apple was just the very first to implement centralized binary blacklisting No, AV vendors did it for decades. In a more efficient way though.

Not sure it’s more efficient given how sluggish most AV software used to make my machine...

Not as bad as Catalina

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by phatfish »

vinceguidry wrote: post #968
nottorp wrote: post #870

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Sadly it's not the "shiny"... it's the fact that Mac OS has a GUI that works. Been using linux since the days you installed Slackware from floppies and recompiled your kernel to get drivers. Command line has always been a bliss, but no one has managed to come up with an usable and consistent GUI yet. Btw does sleep work on linux laptops these days? How's hi dpi support?

If you want a good experience with Linux on an ultra book, you need to buy hardware designed for Linux. System76 or Purism are my recommendations. I don’t trust Dell.

This is the only way to do it.

The kernel devs or distros can't possibly support every hardware combination and BIOS bug for each hardware manufacturer.

For Windows the hardware manufactures have a reason to make the drivers bug free, its where they make most of their money, and Microsoft has the capacity to help them get it fixed if needed.

This doesn't exist for Linux unfortunately, unless you buy a laptop where Linux is fully supported (and you use the supported distro and kernel version most likely).

I have to say the main culprit for issues is usually power saving. I assume that's because ACPI is often badly implemented and power saving requires a lot of separate components to function together, to specification. Likely one doesn't, and the laptop comes out of sleep with the touchpad not working, or something worse.

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by jfkebwjsbx »

konart wrote: post #900
jfkebwjsbx wrote: post #717

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That is definitely not wise. Many companies lock down devices for good reason. For starters, to prevent employees doing that and risking the entire company.

Many companies also take a screenshot of your screen every 10 seconds to "keep you in shape". I'm not taking part in this shit show thankfully. I've had my time in corporations that do this or similar stuff. Never again. And the only channel I'm connected to the company is the email and selfhosted gitlab. Now tell me how can a twitter client on my working machine harm this. Not in a fictional one in a life time scena…

Don't mix privacy and security. Privacy-invading policies have nothing to do with the discussion.

As for examples, you have many, including ones discussed in HN regularly.

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