MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design? • Hacker News Board

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by vegardx » Sat, May 23, 2020, 10:40 AM UTC

I had put off upgrading for a long time because nothing good can come from running the latest stable release. They've never been stable. But Apple sort of forced me to update recently since wanted to back up my phone, which I wanted to do before switching to a new one. I imagined that it would be better after a year. Boy was I wrong, and I regret doing it much. It has been a constant pain ever since, bluetooth is completely broken.

- My external trackpad isn't able to connect, at all. Audio devices require that I kill coreaudiod before connecting, otherwise they just disconnect after a few seconds.

- I can wake the laptop with a bluetooth keyboard, but when it's awake the keyboard stops working. Flipping the switch on the backside of the keyboard lets it reconnect again.

- There are transitions that you cannot disable that makes your laptop feel super slow. In Mojave you could disable them, in Catalina you can't unless you want to run with SIP disabled.

- There's also a super fun bug with mobile hotspot failing to activate, and there's no way for you to just manually connect to your own hotspot, it has to go through this bluetooth activation, even though your mobile hotspot is visible and connectable on all other devices. You end up in situation where you connect to your friends hotspot and they connect to yours, since neither of you are able to connect to your own.

I've given up. The quality control in Apple is down the drain, and have been for quite some time. I'm fixing to downgrade to Mojave this weekend, hopefully that will make it more stable. But I'm not holding my breath. To add injury to insult I'm on my third broken keyboard now. Next time it breaks I might just use the consumer laws and make them refund the laptop so they'll have to take a big loss for creating such a flawed device.

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by jfkebwjsbx » Sat, May 23, 2020, 10:41 AM UTC

saagarjha wrote: post #748

jfkebwjsbx wrote: post #725

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the standard Mac laptop There is nothing standard about a Mac laptop, both technically and in market share.

At Silicon Valley technology companies? A Mac is generally the computer that you're likely to get.

Silicon Valley is a very small dot in the global scale.

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by andy_ppp » Sat, May 23, 2020, 10:44 AM UTC

ComodoHacker wrote: post #837

rurban wrote: post #757

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It's called lockdown for a reason. Apple was just the very first to implement centralized binary blacklisting, revocation. They call it notarization. Problem is, that they did it unannounced. There must be really some weird stuff going on in those managers heads. How can they possibly think to go away with that?

>Apple was just the very first to implement centralized binary blacklisting No, AV vendors did it for decades. In a more efficient way though.

Not sure it’s more efficient given how sluggish most AV software used to make my machine...

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by Yetanfou » Sat, May 23, 2020, 11:04 AM UTC

saagarjha wrote: post #843

pjmlp wrote: post #812

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Developers who use macOS as shiny GNU/Linux replacement are only getting what they deserve, they should have supported Linux OEMs to start with. Those that show up at FOSDEM, carrying their beloved macBooks and iPads while pretending to be into FOSS. I use Apple devices knowingly what they are for, not as replacement for something else.

What if using macOS enables me to be a more effective FOSS contributor? What if I think that FOSDEM is actually has many participants who aren't really into free software?

> What if using macOS enables me to be a more effective FOSS contributor?

How would that work? When you build a house on rented ground the house may seem to be yours but it can always be taken away from you.

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by saagarjha » Sat, May 23, 2020, 11:11 AM UTC

Yetanfou wrote: post #864

saagarjha wrote: post #843

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What if using macOS enables me to be a more effective FOSS contributor? What if I think that FOSDEM is actually has many participants who aren't really into free software?

> What if using macOS enables me to be a more effective FOSS contributor? How would that work? When you build a house on rented ground the house may seem to be yours but it can always be taken away from you.

I’m familiar with macOS and contribute to a number of FOSS projects from it. I’m less productive on other platforms.

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by saagarjha » Sat, May 23, 2020, 11:12 AM UTC

jfkebwjsbx wrote: post #862

saagarjha wrote: post #748

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At Silicon Valley technology companies? A Mac is generally the computer that you're likely to get.

Silicon Valley is a very small dot in the global scale.

A fairly influential one, nonetheless.

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by hanche » Sat, May 23, 2020, 11:12 AM UTC

saagarjha wrote: post #742

xenadu02 wrote: post #681

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You can make the category appear and put Terminal in it with this command: sudo spctl developer-mode enable-terminal

I'd be nice if this was documented somewhere :/

I was going to be that guy and say “man spctl”, but that usage isn’t listed there. If you run spctl with no arguments, it will tell you, however. The man pages on macos really do leave something to be desired.

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by fluffything » Sat, May 23, 2020, 11:31 AM UTC

pjmlp wrote: post #812

ghayes wrote: post #805

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I believe the concern here is that this is affecting not just macOS developers, but all developers who use macOS. That's an important distinction.

Developers who use macOS as shiny GNU/Linux replacement are only getting what they deserve, they should have supported Linux OEMs to start with. Those that show up at FOSDEM, carrying their beloved macBooks and iPads while pretending to be into FOSS. I use Apple devices knowingly what they are for, not as replacement for something else.

I've partially switched from MacOS X to Linux now that wayland pipewire is reaching a mostly functional state and am quite happy with it.

It took me maybe 150 hours to do the switch though during quarantine, and I still haven't managed to be able to properly connect to SMB at work...

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by jfkebwjsbx » Sat, May 23, 2020, 11:32 AM UTC

saagarjha wrote: post #866

jfkebwjsbx wrote: post #862

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Silicon Valley is a very small dot in the global scale.

A fairly influential one, nonetheless.

Influential in technology output? Yeah. Influential in Mac market share? Not in the slightest.

Companies around the globe don’t care one bit about which laptops SV companies are buying.

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by nottorp » Sat, May 23, 2020, 11:37 AM UTC

pjmlp wrote: post #812

ghayes wrote: post #805

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe the concern here is that this is affecting not just macOS developers, but all developers who use macOS. That's an important distinction.

Developers who use macOS as shiny GNU/Linux replacement are only getting what they deserve, they should have supported Linux OEMs to start with. Those that show up at FOSDEM, carrying their beloved macBooks and iPads while pretending to be into FOSS. I use Apple devices knowingly what they are for, not as replacement for something else.

Sadly it's not the "shiny"... it's the fact that Mac OS has a GUI that works.

Been using linux since the days you installed Slackware from floppies and recompiled your kernel to get drivers. Command line has always been a bliss, but no one has managed to come up with an usable and consistent GUI yet.

Btw does sleep work on linux laptops these days? How's hi dpi support?