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Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

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Post by synaesthesisx »

ammon wrote: post #67
yaacov wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for coming to answer questions here even though you’re likely to get dragged through the mud for this decision. FWIW, I agree with other commenters that this is a betrayal of trust but I don’t have anything original to add.

Well, sorry that you feel this way. I don't agree right now (clearly). But I'll certainly take this seriously and think more about it/listen to feedback. We're talking about relatively basic profiles, to give us the canvas to launch public achievement badges (that we hope allow us to better help people who don't have traditional credentials). My view, building this, is that we're not displaying anything more private…

Dude, the default for profiles should be private. Allow users to opt-in to a public setting, if they prefer.

You are making a huge mistake and going to drive your company to ruins. Change it now.

Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

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Post by sidlls »

ammon wrote: post #10

Hey everyone. Happy to answer any questions about this. Basically, we think that LinkedIn profiles don't do a good job of showing engineering skill (especially for self-taught people or people from non-traditional backgrounds). I'm excited to just build better support for showing side projects and GitHub contributions. LinkedIn profiles have become the default engineering resume (despite the fact that most engineers…

Employees require discretion and privacy when they are searching for a new job. Do you need us to enumerate the reasons for this? This new approach is unethical and completely tone-deaf, at best.

Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

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Post by sidlls »

fsociety wrote: post #426
ammon wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, sorry that you feel this way. I don't agree right now (clearly). But I'll certainly take this seriously and think more about it/listen to feedback. We're talking about relatively basic profiles, to give us the canvas to launch public achievement badges (that we hope allow us to better help people who don't have traditional credentials). My view, building this, is that we're not displaying anything more private…

An employer wouldn’t fire me for having an HN or AngelList account.

An honorable employer wouldn't. Even honorable employers can have HR staff who are not.

Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

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Post by rurp »

prepend wrote: post #284
hitekker wrote: post #118

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> Simply explaining what is going on more “clear” and repeating it more often probably won’t get you anywhere good. I've learned this lesson personally. Trying to be "clear" about my own perspective while ignoring what the other person feels. "You don't like what you see? Impossible, you just can't see it. Let me make you see!"

The rhetorical technique that annoys me the most plays out like this... Me: Thing You: I hate that thing Me: You don’t understand Thing. Here’s Thing explained. You: I understand Thing, I still hate it. Me: You don’t understand Thing. When you understand it, you’ll like it. (Repeat) Sometimes this is stupidity thinking that understanding is missing, but I think it’s usually shady just so they have something to say to…

There needs to be a catchy name for this type of interaction. I loathe it as well and it's annoyingly common. Companies that rely on this behavior should be called out repeatedly.

Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

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Post by heavyset_go »

wilde wrote: post #322
derivagral wrote: post #272

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Isn't this legally the case? There's a random place on the internet and people upload details. Not payment info, and I honestly am not clear on how much the rest is protected (USA). This is exactly what Zuckerberg called people "dumb fucks" for, and I don't think anything (legally) has changed. I'm on your side as far as the "why the hell is this the case", but I think this is the world that (USA and others) live in.

I filed an FTC complaint. I'd encourage other concerned folks do the same, since out of court settlements with the FTC are how this is currently adjudicated in the US.

As an advocate of involving the FTC in such situations, done. Thanks for the reminder.

Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

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Post by tlogan »

I understand that Triplebyte is in trouble due to Coronavirus and they will do anything necessary to stay alive. Even if their "product shift” actions are not ethical: they really have nothing to lose.

What I do not understand how this is legal? We have all these new laws ("California Consumer Privacy Act" of 2020, GDPR, etc.) and it seems like this kinda of actions are legal. The goal of these laws is to protect us against companies which have nothing to lose and they are force to do things which are considered non-ethical.

Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

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Post by MertsA »

toyg wrote: post #179
localcrisis wrote: post #129

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Opt-In doesn't help them achieve their product goals. Triplebyte as founded isn't working so they're trying to take a valuable asset they have (engineers looking for jobs) to compete with linkedin The problem with bootstrapping a linkedin competitor is the same chicken-and-egg problem with networks generally. You need people on it for people to join it. What Triplebyte wants is your identity public. That's the produc…

> How many people who were searching for a job without telling their company are going to opt-in to make that public? I think that's the real issue: timing . The only time this can work is when someone has just resigned or joined a new company, so they can (and are actually willing to) "legitimately" pump up the volume about themselves. So make it an easy opt-in triggered by these events. Any triplebyte candidate tha…

But doing it all at once and having it opt-out accomplishes that. If "John Smith" has a public TripleByte profile next week, as a third party the only signal I can get out of that is that "John Smith" passed the TripleByte interview some time in the past. I'd be okay with this if TripleByte gave a couple weeks to opt-out and made certain potentially sensitive information opt-in. Just make it 4 weeks to opt-out and by default don't display the date they interviewed with TripleByte and don't display "Open to new opportunities". Then just ask the user what they want after new interviews and accepted job offers.

If they made the initial launch opt-in then that signals that the user deliberately chose to advertise that to the world. The message a current employer gets out of something that's opt-in instead of opt-out is notably different. This is just like the whole opt-out fiasco with the Do Not Track header. If it's opt-out, the signal is largely meaningless. In this case that's a benefit.

Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

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Post by philwelch »

kerkeslager wrote: post #334
iovrthoughtthis wrote: post #104

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Hey! Welcome to your first PR disaster. I would suggest you step away from any scripts and turn on the company ears. Simply explaining what is going on more “clear” and repeating it more often probably won’t get you anywhere good. Why does this make your users uncomfortable? How can you work with them to achieve your product goals without undermining your relationship with them? Good luck!

I strongly object to characterizing this situation as a PR disaster. The problem isn't that TripleByte is perceived as doing something unethical. The problem is that what TripleByte is doing is unethical.

You’re not wrong, and as far as you and I are concerned, that is the problem.

From TripleByte’s perspective it is a PR disaster, or at least we should treat it as such. Appealing to TripleByte’s internal moral compass is unlikely to succeed since they’ve demonstrated that they don’t have one. So we resort to appealing to their self-interest, since that is something they care about.

Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

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Post by areyousure »

yaacov wrote: post #84
ammon wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, sorry that you feel this way. I don't agree right now (clearly). But I'll certainly take this seriously and think more about it/listen to feedback. We're talking about relatively basic profiles, to give us the canvas to launch public achievement badges (that we hope allow us to better help people who don't have traditional credentials). My view, building this, is that we're not displaying anything more private…

First off, thanks again for taking the time to speak with us on HN. I think you’re missing/avoiding the issue that people might want to hide the very fact that they have a Triplebyte account at all. It implies that they have job hunted in the last 5 or so years, and someone who’s been at a single company for longer than that might not want that information to be available. I work at Google, and I can tell you as a fa…

Google did something similar: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Buzz#Privacy

Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

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Post by ibejoeb »

kylebarron wrote: post #6

Hard to find the opt-out button. You have to sign in, go to your "profile builder" [0], and then click the very low contrast "Visibility settings" button just below the top of your profile. [0]: https://triplebyte.com/candidates/profile_builder

Anyone else just get another unsolicited email from them?

Subject: Triplebyte explained, from coding quiz to job offers

"Hey there, I'm Tyler, one of the engineers here at Triplebyte!"

This hours after opting out, setting privacy options, and deleting account.

Crushing it guys...

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