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Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

#101

Post by tdeck »

throwbacktictac wrote: post #42
csdreamer7 wrote: post #38

So I wasn't sure where to opt-out at first. I clicked privacy center, ( https://triplebyte.com/privacy-center ), couldn't find the option, but chose 'Opt out of Personal Information Sharing' because why not? After clicking the button I had to click a confirmation email to get this approved. Then it said it would happen within 30 days and I may be required to show govt ID. Why? I am already verified with my login acco…

Indeed, it does require a gov't ID to delete you profile. Triplebyte is starting to look like Keyser Soze here :)

Easiest thing is just to change your name, although obviously it's not perfect.

Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

#102

Post by rs23296008n1 »

Wow. Plenty of angry people in my circles.

Apparently deletion requires ID or something. Um... thats less good. I vaguely understand why if it was needed to sign up. [addendum: nope!]

Suggest you think carefully about your next step if you have an account. Maybe gibberish your account to whatever extent you see fit, update the email address somewhere less identifying (perhaps sneakemail) and go on with your life. Assume all details will be sold (you mean you didn't already?!)

I think they are out of touch with their userbase. Or they have even more plans their userbase won't like.

Addendum:

There's an option to control public visibility. Opt-out but this is only partial details. I would not rely on that "partial" aspect.

Worse still: if you want to "not be contactable for new opportunities" that only lasts for 24 months at max. You can't select a "not wanting offers at all". Minimum is 1 month.

This means you could be inadvertantly outed as "looking for opportinities" without even knowing it.

Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

#103

Post by reificator »

ammon wrote: post #66
interactivecode wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hey Ammon, the idea is good, it's solid. Nothing bad there. I think everyone knows LinkedIn has it's issues. But like come on. Why make everyone's private job search public? by default no less!? How can we trust triplebite with our career, finance information and personal information when you pull these kinds of moves. Make a good product. If it's actually good people will sign up.

We're not making anyone's job search details pubic. All that the profile will show is that an engineer created a Triplebyte profile at some point in the past, and any badges they earned.

I had added TripleByte to the list of resources to use on my next job hunt, that was a mistake.

I have made a note of this singular action along with your repeated refusal in this thread to acknowledge the harm you are causing.

People don't want their current employer to know about their job searches, period. There's a difference in magnitude between this and the Ashley Madison leak, but it's the same concept. Having a profile at all is a clear sign to your current employer. It doesn't matter what you were doing with it or when you created the account.

Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

#104

Post by iovrthoughtthis »

ammon wrote: post #73
ganstyles wrote: post #24

This is horrible, what a breach of trust. I used TB to stealthily interview for jobs, had a good experience. Recommended them to others. Now I see that if I hadn't seen this post, I wouldn't have known about this and those details would have been public, which had the potential to seriously undermine me at my current position. I'll opt out tomorrow, but according to others it sounds like the visibility link was somew…

Your Triplebyte profile will NOT contain any data/details about you or your job search that will undermine you at your current employer. We should have included a screenshot and more details in the email. I'll talk to my team about following up with more details tomorrow. We are talking about a lightweight profile, like your Stack Overflow or HN profile, to provide us the canvas to release badges. That's it.

Hey! Welcome to your first PR disaster.

I would suggest you step away from any scripts and turn on the company ears. Simply explaining what is going on more “clear” and repeating it more often probably won’t get you anywhere good.

Why does this make your users uncomfortable? How can you work with them to achieve your product goals without undermining your relationship with them?

Good luck!

Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

#105

Post by domador »

ammon wrote: post #67
yaacov wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for coming to answer questions here even though you’re likely to get dragged through the mud for this decision. FWIW, I agree with other commenters that this is a betrayal of trust but I don’t have anything original to add.

Well, sorry that you feel this way. I don't agree right now (clearly). But I'll certainly take this seriously and think more about it/listen to feedback. We're talking about relatively basic profiles, to give us the canvas to launch public achievement badges (that we hope allow us to better help people who don't have traditional credentials). My view, building this, is that we're not displaying anything more private…

You mentioned Hacker News in passing. HN has public profiles indeed, but most of them don't have much information. Either people don't want to fill them out or they don't care to, possibly because they just want to do other things on HN (like post comments or upvote articles and comments.) The way public profiles work vary from service to service, as does people's expectations regarding those profiles. From what I've read, it sounds like public profiles haven't been Triplebytes focus, but users are now upset that they're being brought into focus or given more exposure than they ever expected before (assuming people are correct in the fears they've been expressing here.)

Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

#106

Post by franciscop »

ammon wrote: post #12
haram_masala wrote: post #5

This is awful. And announcing this late on a Friday is what news organizations call “taking out the trash,” publicizing something when people aren’t paying attention.

Really sorry that you think this is awful. Certainly do opt-out. I think that taking on LinkedIn and creating a better engineering resume is a good thing to do. I can assure you that the Friday announcement is a result of our team grinding to hit a planned release week, not anything other than that (I would have loved to get this out earlier in the week)

I think everyone here would agree taking on Linkedin is a very good thing to do, especially Triplebyte who was already in a good position and fairly well considered here.

But not this way, not forcing all of your users into a public profile by default and making them provide gvmt ids to delete their accounts. Your users gave you their data for a specific purpose, and you took it and used it totally differently. This seems like a great violation of GDPR BTW.

Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

#108

Post by iovrthoughtthis »

ammon wrote: post #66
interactivecode wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hey Ammon, the idea is good, it's solid. Nothing bad there. I think everyone knows LinkedIn has it's issues. But like come on. Why make everyone's private job search public? by default no less!? How can we trust triplebite with our career, finance information and personal information when you pull these kinds of moves. Make a good product. If it's actually good people will sign up.

We're not making anyone's job search details pubic. All that the profile will show is that an engineer created a Triplebyte profile at some point in the past, and any badges they earned.

Oh, no. Stop repeating the line and listen to the user.

Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

#109

Post by travisjungroth »

iovrthoughtthis wrote: post #104
ammon wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your Triplebyte profile will NOT contain any data/details about you or your job search that will undermine you at your current employer. We should have included a screenshot and more details in the email. I'll talk to my team about following up with more details tomorrow. We are talking about a lightweight profile, like your Stack Overflow or HN profile, to provide us the canvas to release badges. That's it.

Hey! Welcome to your first PR disaster. I would suggest you step away from any scripts and turn on the company ears. Simply explaining what is going on more “clear” and repeating it more often probably won’t get you anywhere good. Why does this make your users uncomfortable? How can you work with them to achieve your product goals without undermining your relationship with them? Good luck!

> How can you work with them to achieve your product goals without undermining your relationship with them?

Literally just make it opt-in.

Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

#110

Post by wolfgang42 »

rs23296008n1 wrote: post #102

Wow. Plenty of angry people in my circles. Apparently deletion requires ID or something. Um... thats less good. I vaguely understand why if it was needed to sign up. [addendum: nope!] Suggest you think carefully about your next step if you have an account. Maybe gibberish your account to whatever extent you see fit, update the email address somewhere less identifying (perhaps sneakemail) and go on with your life. Ass…

> I vaguely understand why if it was needed to sign up.

Nope! Triplebyte flew me across the country, put me up in a hotel, and otherwise arranged a job for me with nothing more than my email address and a phone number. The first time I had to provide ID in the entire process was when I filled out the I-9 form on my first day at the company that had hired me.

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