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Post by JSavageOne »

GoofballJones wrote: post #283
busymom0 wrote: post #122

I agree with JRE leaving YouTube over the censorship but I disagree with him moving exclusively to spotify for following reasons: 1. Spotify was the one who conspired with Facebook, Apple and Google to ban Alex Jones and others. So if Joe is moving off of YouTube because he doesn't like the censorship, he's not getting anything better with Spotify. 2. Currently, Spotify doesn't have video (except album cover clips wh…

Alex Jones being kicked off those services isn't the same thing. He was spreading major misinformation and targeted harassment at innocent people that were involved in a tragedy. He wasn't "conspired" against. They just told him to go host his hate somewhere else. And stop with these "censorship" BS. Alex Jones has every right to start his own network if he wants and put anything on it. There's nothing stopping him f…

Youtube is a platform, Nickelodeon is a television channel. What a nonsensical comparison.

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Post by JSavageOne »

mattcaldwell wrote: post #381
shoulderfake wrote: post #282

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I listen to Rogans podcast all the time , when has he ever made hate comments about transgender people ???? No way I'd have missed him saying something hateful about anyone period, let alone transgenders

He explicitly referred to Fallon Fox, saying "You are a fucking man." Not a very tactful way to speak about a transgender woman. And yes, that's transphobic speech.

Why does he have to abide by your personal ultra-conservative moral compass as to what is deemed "appropriate" or "not tactful enough"?

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Post by mythrwy »

meheleventyone wrote: post #760
mythrwy wrote: post #744

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In that case "We" haven't decided anything at all what you suggest. But now you and I are in the weeds. I hope you see my point, that's all. Discrimination isn't good. Even if you don't agree with the other party.

We aren’t trying to come to an agreement, we has a lot broader meaning than that. Good luck, have fun. Discrimination isn’t good and propping it up in the name of free speech is gross.

"We" in a global context have many different views.

Agreed, we aren't trying to come to agreement, on that we apparently agree.

Speech might be hateful, but isn't discrimination. Discrimination is discrimination.

Free spread of ideas is vital to the continued progress of humanity but sometimes it will offend people.

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Post by JSavageOne »

busymom0 wrote: post #122

I agree with JRE leaving YouTube over the censorship but I disagree with him moving exclusively to spotify for following reasons: 1. Spotify was the one who conspired with Facebook, Apple and Google to ban Alex Jones and others. So if Joe is moving off of YouTube because he doesn't like the censorship, he's not getting anything better with Spotify. 2. Currently, Spotify doesn't have video (except album cover clips wh…

Great summary of the issues. I'll add that a nice part about having JRE on Youtube is having a comments section. Spotify does not have any kind of comments section.

#4 is a pretty big deal to me as I'm in Korea and Spotify is not supported here. I don't use Spotify mainly for that reason. I know I could use a VPN, but that's too much hassle only to listen to JRE (also I'm not aware of any quality free VPNs, and don't care enough to pay for a subscription).

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Post by deanCommie »

chroma wrote: post #494
deanCommie wrote: post #421

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Sorry, that's not a great analogy. Are you saying that Alex Jones's views are just ahead of their time and the culture is not ready for it? I understand that there is one perspective on free speech that says any restriction means that in the future people will abuse it to suppress ANY ideas they disagree with, and I find that this is only true with a very specific type of religious, authoritarian, American, republica…

> Are you saying that Alex Jones's views are just ahead of their time and the culture is not ready for it? No. In fact I thought I explained that pretty clearly. I said, "So far, we haven't figured out a way to separate good ideas from bad ones besides exposing people to them and seeing which memes reproduce in the population. In other words: If you ban people like Alex Jones, you also ban people who are activists fo…

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irving_trial

So someone got convicted for holocaust denial because they denied the existence of the holocaust? The system works!

Not being facetious, this is not a problem.

> If you ban people like Alex Jones, you also ban people who are activists for causes that society will adopt in the future. And we all end up worse off." I don't know how you can interpret that to mean that I am somehow in favor of Jones.

Easily because that's the implication of your statement. That there is no way to differentiate between Alex Jones's ideology and the ideology of human rights activists.

Which is a ridiculous premise.

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Post by herostratus101 »

hobs wrote: post #502
serf wrote: post #262

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one can be against censorship and against the message being censored. in other words : don't assume those that defend people like Alex Jones are defending his opinions. Many are defending his ability to transmit his message, regardless of the quality of that message, in the interest of preserving that ability for themselves and causes that they support.

Nah, they are using that as a front to push their agenda, because otherwise they'd be super in favor of google and youtube's free speech too, which they are not. Alex Jones isn't legally prohibited from saying lies about Sandy Hook, and the people up in arms defending those hateful lies and saying we should be careful to preserve hateful lies on private platforms are either idiot patsies or purposefully misleading li…

I think you're confusing YouTube's "free speech" with YouTube's ability to censor anything they want. I have no issue with Google uploading YouTube videos or blog posts spreading essentially whatever message the company wants to spread.

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Post by manigandham »

rorykoehler wrote: post #603
lawnchair_larry wrote: post #477

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Nonsense. Nobody cares about the fact that he is willing to have a conversation with just about anyone, except the whiny cancel culture twitter mob. We need more conversations with people we don’t (think we) like.

His conversations are like empty calories. No substance. No hard questions. 100% ego stroking. His podcast is basically an advertorial. It’s painful to watch.

I disagree. I've watched most of them and have learned a lot over the years, both from the high-profile experts sharing their knowledge on topics I would never otherwise think about to the BS conversations with friends.

Rogan is also not an interviewer and explicitly does not approach the podcast as an interview (outside of special guests). The free uninterrupted conversation is what gets the best out of people.

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Post by manigandham »

rorykoehler wrote: post #712
afiori wrote: post #663

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His podcast is about getting to know the guests, it is not meant to be an adversarial interview.

Hard questions are how you get to know someone.

Letting them talk for hours also works.

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Post by FrojoS »

vokep wrote: post #740
virvar wrote: post #594

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I always found America’s grips on these things a tad weird. In my country you’re accountable to print the truth, and if you don’t, it comes with fines or even prison time. Because lying to the public is dangerous. That hasn’t stopped opinion pieces, but it has stopped media outlets from printing things like “the earth is flat” or “drinking bleach cures covid”. Unfortunately this is yet to apply to social media stars,…

>you’re accountable to print the truth Whatever portion of government handles that in your country, is quite literally analogous to the "Ministry of Truth" in 1984. >Do you really think you can have a functioning democracy when people live in completely different bubbles of subjective truth? Nobody knows, its always been an experiment. The experiment is done with the basis that other ways of going about it (some syst…

Case by case by a judge not by a ministry.

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Post by cousin_it »

cousin_it wrote: post #695
danso wrote: post #448

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Thanks for the reply and the specifics. I don't know much about free speech as it was conceptualized in the U.S. Constitution, so I'm cribbing from the Wikipedia page [0]. With respect to Milton and Mill, the Wikipedia entry actually cites each in arguing for free speech and for limits to rights, respectively: - "[Milton] Give me the liberty to know, to utter, and to argue freely according to conscience, above all li…

I think there are philosophical arguments for free speech that can be evaluated on their own merits: 1) If some idea is true, I'd like to be able to learn that it's true. 2) If a system silences a dissenter, then other dissenters (who could have better arguments) will know that there's no principled protection for them, and won't speak. 3) If some idea has been silenced, then most people don't know the best arguments…

Just to remember this later:

5) Stopping a political idea from being heard by people is removing political agency from these people, which is undemocratic.

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