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America is determined to sink Huawei

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Re: America is determined to sink Huawei

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Post by whylie »

theredbox wrote: post #19
sand_castles wrote: post #12

I know many ppl are going to defend "America" here. But remember who you are defending. Great power rivalry is bad for corporate profit and amazing for wage laborer, which most of HN is. If you are an worker in North America, this type of headline should be a moment of celebration.

We are defending western civilization. I would rather China to collapse than to see it replace the US of A. China is actively trying to erase any minorities by replacing them with han chinese. It is an evil, vile country and it needs to fundamentally change before we accept its ambitions.

100% agree - definitely an unpopular opinion on this site from my experience but I appreciate your post.

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Post by ciarannolan »

ddoolin wrote: post #55
ciarannolan wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Guarantee you're going to catch downvotes for this comment, but you're 100% right. The evils of the US and China are not even comparable in the modern era. A million plus in concentration camps, secret police disappearing journalists/doctors/dissidents, absolute authoritarian control over citizens lives, replacement of ethnic minorities en masse, organ harvesting, wholesale theft of IP and technology, etc etc etc. It…

America still does bad things to this day, and they can definitely be compared to China's bad things...but one may far outweigh the other. I agree with the GP's sentiment but there's no reason we can't offer criticism on both.

Sure, you _can_ compare them, just like you can compare a '93 Civic and a Model S.

Re: America is determined to sink Huawei

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Post by ddoolin »

leto_ii wrote: post #40
theredbox wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can confirm. Eastern european here. America refers to the US of A. If we want to be explicit about the other america we say South America.

How about the parts of North America that are not the US?

Mexico, Canada, and North America.

Re: America is determined to sink Huawei

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Post by KCUOJJQJ »

enitihas wrote: post #45
ccmcarey wrote: post #5

> It announced new rules that target Huawei’s in-house microchips, which power many of the firm’s products. The rules are aimed at the factories that take such designs and turn them into working silicon, such as those owned by TSMC in Taiwan and SMIC in China. Out of curiosity, what's the legal basis for this? Is it just a threat, and if companines like TSMC don't follow it, they'll also be blacklisted from the US ma…

Can the US afford to blacklist TSMC from anything?

From https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/14/technology/trump-tsmc-us-...

Mark Liu, T.S.M.C.’s chairman, told The New York Times in October that T.S.M.C. had been negotiating with the Commerce Department about a possible U.S. plant, but said it would require substantial government subsidies. How much, if any, public money might be associated with the company’s decision was unclear.

And from https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-48917705

The US State Department has approved a potential arms sale to Taiwan, estimated to be worth $2.2bn (£1.76bn), the Pentagon said.

Maybe TSMC thought it would be really good if Tawain were protected better thanks to these weapons, and TSMC would also like these subsidies.

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Post by rm445 »

vinay427 wrote: post #16
rafaelreinert wrote: post #6

U.S.A, not America, here in Brazil we haven’t any issue with Huawei

This again? I think your point is appropriate when speaking Spanish, Portuguese (EDIT: not Portuguese), etc. However, in common English (no, not just in the US) the word "America" more often refers to the USA. Languages don't use the same or derivative words for many other countries as well.

That's bad and wrong, you should think past your familiarity for a minute and logically not do it.

This shouldn't be mixed up with the other common case which is often discussed, 'American' as the demonym for people and things from the USA. That isn't quite as bad (though it still annoys other people from elsewhere in the Americas) because it's using the name of the superset - Americans, from the USA, are also Americans, from the continent. Whereas, when "America" (the USA) does something, it doesn't necessarily mean all of America does it. The USA is a subset of America, not a superset or the only entry.

Language isn't always logical, but if you won't draw the line at something so clearly backwards as using the whole continent's name for the actions of one country, you can only expect it will start an argument every time.

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Post by brnt »

squires wrote: post #11
rafaelreinert wrote: post #6

U.S.A, not America, here in Brazil we haven’t any issue with Huawei

USA is commonly known as America, and the fact that some variant of this comment always surfaces when it's referred to as such won't change that.

Half of HN comments are 'technically correct' comments. Deal with it.

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Post by rudolph9 »

philipov wrote: post #32
FrankBooth wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft? It’s not the nineties. Try Google.

I think you mean Alphabet, and yes. Nuke Facebook and Amazon while we're at it. Break up all the huge conglomerates.

Maybe there is a better word than “Nuke” to describe this? Perhaps a word not so strongly associated with death and destruction, unless you truly mean the physical locations of these orgs should be hit with atomic weapons?

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Post by pb7 »

philipov wrote: post #58
pb7 wrote: post #48

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Why? How small do the pieces have to be to satisfy you?

Amazon should be forced to spin off AWS and release Twitch. Facebook should be forced to release Instagram and Whatsapp. Alphabet should be forced to release Youtube, Waymo, etc. That's about the right scale of antitrust required here.

But why? What will that accomplish?

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Post by vinay427 »

rm445 wrote: post #65
vinay427 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This again? I think your point is appropriate when speaking Spanish, Portuguese (EDIT: not Portuguese), etc. However, in common English (no, not just in the US) the word "America" more often refers to the USA. Languages don't use the same or derivative words for many other countries as well.

That's bad and wrong, you should think past your familiarity for a minute and logically not do it. This shouldn't be mixed up with the other common case which is often discussed, 'American' as the demonym for people and things from the USA. That isn't quite as bad (though it still annoys other people from elsewhere in the Americas) because it's using the name of the superset - Americans, from the USA, are also Americ…

I disagree with the premise here that "America" describes the continents of North and South America. That is in and of itself the issue here, so I don't agree that the USA is a subset of America because I would refer to the continents as "the Americas" or similar.
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