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Post by perilunar »

isoskeles wrote: post #462
willis936 wrote: post #446

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You know who else breaks norms? Alex Jones when he peddles lies and threatens lives for profit. He needs to play by society’s rules if he wants to play by society’s rules. You can’t just pick and choose which norms you’re entitled to. That’s called being an asshole and 10 times out of 10 you will be shown the door. There’s a reason no one cried over him getting the boot. It isn’t an indication of some chilling dystop…

Whose lives did Alex Jones threaten?

> Whose lives did Alex Jones threaten?

Well he recently threatened to eat his neighbours!

"I'm ready to hang them up and gut em and skin em and chop them up"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrD1M-OcVts

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Post by iterati »

afiori wrote: post #680
coding_lobster wrote: post #604

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I've never heard about the "podcast" quality being conditioned on platform availability.

It is likely not in the definition, but "Spotify-exclusive podcast" sounds a lot like "Chrome-only website". They are podcasts and websites respectively, they just go against the effective spirit of the medium.

Do they? Podcast, to me, is a talk show on the internet.

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Post by pharke »

d3ad1ysp0rk wrote: post #475
pharke wrote: post #305

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Y'all are taking this way too literally. "a man's gotta eat" is a figure of speech, I meant he needs to maintain his current income. YouTube has probably been jerking him around for years now so moving to a signed multi-year deal is a smart choice in uncertain times.

Sure it's a figure of speech, but especially in a time with record unemployment, food insecurity surrounding remote schooling, and fiscal uncertainty, it's not exactly the best choice of words. Also, the reference to "doing what's best for his family" is often used to describe making ends meat, not making sure 30M a year doesn't become only 10M a year. I think having both phrases in one comment made people rightfully…

> the reference to "doing what's best for his family" is often used to describe making ends meat, not making sure 30M a year doesn't become only 10M a year

Actually I think that's entirely appropriate. Seeing a loss of earnings that large would be devastating to any individual or business.

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Post by CyberDildonics »

UncleMeat wrote: post #416
CyberDildonics wrote: post #392

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He said that in the context of the physicality of someone who was fully grown, recently transitioned and was actually brutalizing women in MMA fights.

So? "you are a fucking man" isn't some dispassionate analysis of how to develop a rule system that works for both trans and cis athletes. Just because the context isn't inherently transphobic doesn't mean that he gets a free pass.

He doesn't need a "free pass". The context and what he was saying was crystal clear and has nothing to do with disrespecting someone who is transgender.

This person was able to brutalize women because of attitudes like yours, where you are too afraid of using the incorrect pronoun even in the context of making a point about dangerous differences in physicality.

This person beat a woman until her skull cracked and you are hung up on someone saying she has the physiology of a man. What do you think sets the acceptance of transgender people back more?

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Post by cousin_it »

danso wrote: post #448
chroma wrote: post #438

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John Milton in Areopagitica [1]: > Bad meats will scarce breed good nourishment in the healthiest concoction; but herein the difference is of bad books, that they to a discreet and judicious Reader serve in many respects to discover, to confute, to forewarn, and to illustrate. Thomas Paine's introduction to The Age of Reason [2]: > You will do me the justice to remember, that I have always strenuously supported the R…

Thanks for the reply and the specifics. I don't know much about free speech as it was conceptualized in the U.S. Constitution, so I'm cribbing from the Wikipedia page [0]. With respect to Milton and Mill, the Wikipedia entry actually cites each in arguing for free speech and for limits to rights, respectively: - "[Milton] Give me the liberty to know, to utter, and to argue freely according to conscience, above all li…

I think there are philosophical arguments for free speech that can be evaluated on their own merits:

1) If some idea is true, I'd like to be able to learn that it's true.

2) If a system silences a dissenter, then other dissenters (who could have better arguments) will know that there's no principled protection for them, and won't speak.

3) If some idea has been silenced, then most people don't know the best arguments for it, so they can't in good conscience support the silencing.

4) Clearly false ideas don't need silencing. Historically, an alarming proportion of silenced ideas have been true, but dangerous to the prevailing power of the day.

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Post by unishark »

GoofballJones wrote: post #283
busymom0 wrote: post #122

I agree with JRE leaving YouTube over the censorship but I disagree with him moving exclusively to spotify for following reasons: 1. Spotify was the one who conspired with Facebook, Apple and Google to ban Alex Jones and others. So if Joe is moving off of YouTube because he doesn't like the censorship, he's not getting anything better with Spotify. 2. Currently, Spotify doesn't have video (except album cover clips wh…

Alex Jones being kicked off those services isn't the same thing. He was spreading major misinformation and targeted harassment at innocent people that were involved in a tragedy. He wasn't "conspired" against. They just told him to go host his hate somewhere else. And stop with these "censorship" BS. Alex Jones has every right to start his own network if he wants and put anything on it. There's nothing stopping him f…

> And stop with these "censorship" BS.

It is clearly censorship. The fact is simply that censorship is perfectly legal for private companies to engage in. Though when a private company starts to become a monopoly people often start trying to regulate it like a public utility.

A separate argument is whether customers and partners want to support a private company which engages in behavior they dislike such as censorship. Rogan also has every right to take his business elsewhere for such reasons, if that is actually what happened.

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Post by unishark »

Traster wrote: post #642
bitwize wrote: post #564

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And when upstream service providers cut him off, he can start his own one of those. When payment processors close all his accounts, he can start one of those. Remember, kids, censorship refers to the government and only the government. Stray far enough onto the wrong side of history, and society may voluntarily decide you're an asshole and show you the door. And that'll be on you.

You're arguing this as if the censorship you're talking about has actually happened to anyone ever. We're literally talking about Alex Jones because he's the most extreme example, but actually the opposite is true. We have Alex Jones as a great demonstration of the most objectionable person on the internet. Is he censored? I don't know, I suggest you ask him here: www.infowars.com or listen to one of his 6 podcasts a…

> We have Alex Jones as a great demonstration of the most objectionable person on the internet. Is he censored?

Oh come on there must be far more objectionable characters on the internet. Genuine terrorists and pedophiles and whatever. Or at least they would be, but they are so toxic they actually are censored by most every platform.

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Post by blaser-waffle »

perilunar wrote: post #626
koheripbal wrote: post #571

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I hate Alex Jones, but I have to agree. There's a difference between being kicked out of a restaurant for being an ass, vs being kicked out of EVERY restaurant on Earth for the rest of your life - without due process. These online services aren't small mom/pop shops that you can just replace and patronize another. They are global near-monopolies that you cannot function without. Google isn't just my search provider -…

> Google isn't just my search provider - they run my email, my internet connection, my cell service, my company's cloud repository, etc... They could destroy me at the drop of a hat. More fool you. Maybe you should diversify a bit.

Aye, a bit part of my push this year has been de-googling my life. Along with de-facebooking and de-microsofting.

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Post by afiori »

iterati wrote: post #692
afiori wrote: post #680

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It is likely not in the definition, but "Spotify-exclusive podcast" sounds a lot like "Chrome-only website". They are podcasts and websites respectively, they just go against the effective spirit of the medium.

Do they? Podcast, to me, is a talk show on the internet.

The distribution model of podcast has always been peculiar. A podcast is a radio show live or not distributed on the internet.

Its distribution model mimics that of radio shows archives, that for the internet means RSS-like

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