Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal • Hacker News Board

Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by stOneskull » Wed, May 20, 2020, 2:45 AM UTC

alvah wrote: post #319

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Alex Jones being kicked off those services isn't the same thing. He was spreading major misinformation and targeted harassment at innocent people that were involved in a tragedy. He wasn't "conspired" against. They just told him to go host his hate somewhere else. And stop with these "censorship" BS. Alex Jones has every right to start his own network if he wants and put anything on it. There's nothing stopping him f…

"Alex Jones has every right to start his own network if he wants" Ah, the tired old "start your own Google / Facebook / Twitter / YouTube" trope. That can't be too hard /sarc Why is delegating (effective) censorship to Big Tech suddenly a good idea?

it does come across as them supporting it, yeah. they may as well just say they like to silence people. we all know they can kick alex jones off if they want, and there are plenty of people who dislike him. cheering it on though? i guess it's whether you want people you don't like silenced or you have principles. a major source of the 'think of the children' book-burning emotional behavior seems to be the ones they cheer on too. infantilized and scared into cheering on the infantilization. similar to how the corrupt will become a corrupting influence to others, but with more a denial of cognitive dissonance rather than a darkening of the heart.

Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by CyberDildonics » Wed, May 20, 2020, 2:46 AM UTC

mattcaldwell wrote: post #381

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I listen to Rogans podcast all the time , when has he ever made hate comments about transgender people ???? No way I'd have missed him saying something hateful about anyone period, let alone transgenders

He explicitly referred to Fallon Fox, saying "You are a fucking man." Not a very tactful way to speak about a transgender woman. And yes, that's transphobic speech.

He said that in the context of the physicality of someone who was fully grown, recently transitioned and was actually brutalizing women in MMA fights.

Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by JohnBooty » Wed, May 20, 2020, 2:49 AM UTC

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I mean, these are all true. Lots of people chose to avoid particular hosting platforms, components, utility providers and healthcare providers. Do you feel like Jones didn't have his proverbial "day in court"? He's had many, of course, and lost most of them. A basic google search tells me you can buy many books written by Alex Jones on his infowars shop. Even if he was kicked off the DNS system he would be able to ho…

I don't know if he got his "day in court", and I'm not sure he deserved one since these platforms can do what they want on an individual basis. What is dangerous is a handful of platforms dominating communication and then conspiring to censor the same person all at the same time, which is exactly what happened with Alex Jones. Though it seems reasonable to tell an undesirable to "find your own X", it's also a sentime…

The challenge with giving an equal platform to bad-faith disinformation artists like Alex Jones is that it's simply not a fair fight.

Respectable news reporting organizations are bound by an obligation to research and vet their stories.

People like Alex Jones are not, and they can look 95% as slickly presented as a "real" news organization for 1% of the cost and 0% of the moral obligations. They can churn this stuff out at a rate that sources of respectable reporting cannot even begin to approach.

It's like the information equivalent of a DDOS attack, or the "Gish Gallop."

Give the Alex Joneses of the world an equal platform and the world will eventually be nothing but Alex Joneses -- whoever screams the most sensational stuff the most often is going to win.

    What is dangerous is a handful of platforms dominating communication

I agree with the terribleness of this.

But I do truly believe it's less terrible than giving a platform to bad-faith creeps like Jones.

Ultimately, the answer is an educated populace with strong critical thinking skills that can do a better job of deciding for themselves. That is truly the goal.

I'll let you decide how feasible that is in the short term, the long term, or any term whatsoever.

20-30 years ago we all thought the WWW was going to be this incredible marketplace of ideas where the truth would win. What an idealistic crock of shit that was.

Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by mattcaldwell » Wed, May 20, 2020, 2:49 AM UTC

CyberDildonics wrote: post #388

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Disagreeing is fine, even though the science currently seems to support the current regulations. I won't take a side there. However, referring to Fallon Fox as "a man" is transphobic and borderline hate speech. I believe he did apologize for this, but do your research.

I saw it live. I remember it being crystal clear that he was talking about the context of someone's physical attributes when they are fighting. Maybe you should actually listen to someone before you call what they say "transphobic and borderline hate speech".

I did listen and have watched it more than once. I understand the context, but at the very least, he's being a dick. And he shouldn't be surprised when his words are interpreted in that way. It's a vulnerable population and there are better ways to talk about sensitive issues like that.

Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, May 20, 2020, 2:50 AM UTC

dang wrote: post #357

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Most people agree with Rogan that transgender women who have only recently started on female hormones should not hide that status from biologically female opponents in mixed martial arts. It isn't feminist for women's bodies to be brutalized by men's bodies.

> It isn't feminist for women's bodies to be brutalized by men's bodies. If you broach the topic in this way—jumping straight to an inflammatory statement on one of the most divisive of all topics—you're guaranteeing a flamewar. That's vandalism, nay, trolling. It breaks the site guidelines, damages this place badly, and you've done it more than once before. You also committed to us that you wouldn't to do it again.…

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Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by tprice7 » Wed, May 20, 2020, 2:50 AM UTC

tyre wrote: post #332

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You're really going to delegate censorship decisions to big tech? What's classes as "misinformation" should be our choice as consumers, not theirs. Example: David Icke may be a conspiracy theorist, but banning him is one step closer from Alex Jones towards a censorship nightmare. The slippery slope is 10ft behind and we're cruising down at 100 mph.

No we're not, calm down. Alex Jones is riling people up on conspiracy theories that actively do harm in order to make money. What happens if a private company removes him from their platform? … he can still post on his website? This isn't some Orwellian nightmare. A lot of people are trying to figure out how to balance absolute freedom with building a better collective human society. It's messy! People are messy! And…

"It's not like they're kicking math off of YouTube."

Actually, a funny thing happened to me recently that is sort of in this vein. I made a simple app for tuning theory nerds, for examining how a given equal temperament approximates different whole number ratios. I couldn't link to it when posting on a Facebook group; I was told it violated Facebook community standards (I think they just completely blocked the 1mb.site domain that I hosted it on).

Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by stOneskull » Wed, May 20, 2020, 2:50 AM UTC

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> By any mainstream definition... Rogan has millions of downloads month and had at least one presidential candidate appear for an interview. Joe is one of the people who sets the mainstream definition.

Joe Rogan doesn't move culture by himself. It doesn't matter how many presidential candidates he talks to, he has had multiple guests on his show that have already been kicked off mainstream platforms like Twitter, Youtube, and Facebook. I guarantee there will be controversy for Spotify if Rogan continues to have on this type of guest in the future.

if they try and control who he can have on and what they talk about, i hope rogan gives them a good 'fuck you!'

Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, May 20, 2020, 2:50 AM UTC

shoulderfake wrote: post #295

pc2g4d wrote: post #70

Article really goes out of its way to let you know why you're supposed to hate Joe Rogan... I think it's probably a good move for his bank account but will piss off a lot of his fans. I casually follow him on Youtube, just watching clips mostly but occasionally full interviews. I never use Spotify for spoken word or video---and I probably won't follow him there.

I listen to his podcast all the time both audio and video versions on YT and I dont see what the big deal is, so I open spotify instead of youtube and click JRE.

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Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by hombre_fatal » Wed, May 20, 2020, 2:51 AM UTC

nostromo wrote: post #101

This seems like short-term thinking from Joe. I'm sure he got paid big time. But his audience will shrink massively and he'll become a niche personality. It'll be similar to what happened to Howard Stern when he went to satellite radio; he quickly faded into relative obscurity.

He's not shrinking by moving to one of the most ubiquitous apps in the world. You're just going to see some brief internet rage before people type "rogan" into the Spotify app they already have running all day.

That is nothing like XM radio where I've never met someone who said they had it.

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, May 20, 2020, 2:56 AM UTC

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You are not giving the full extent of his comments on transgender people. He is against women who transitioned as adults from competing against other women. He is also against people taking steps as a child to make transitioning easier as an adult such as taking completely reversible hormone blockers to delay puberty until they are old enough to transition. So he leaves no possible path for a transgender woman to com…

> It seems like he wants transgender people out of sports completely I think this is something you're reading that's not quite there. He isn't sensitive to the topic, but I don't think he hates trans people.

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