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Post by TomMarius »

ALittleLight wrote: post #559
TomMarius wrote: post #551

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There was no conspiracy, and no censorship. He broke rules of all these platforms and the final straw pushed all platform owners to enforce their rules, that's it. It should be obvious to anyone that Facebook or Google or any other company can't be expected to publish anything anyone wants (did you even read the rules?) - since the dawn of the Internet we had to set up our own servers for that purpose. How is Faceboo…

If there was no conspiracy you think it was a coincidence that he was banned across all major platforms at the same time after using them for years? I guess I can kind of see how it is possible to believe that it was a coincidence that all companies banned him simultaneously. It's obviously overwhelmingly unlikely that it was a coincidence, but that is at least a coherent thing to believe. On the other hand, I cannot…

Enforcing rules of platform is not censorship. I don't care much if it was a coincidence - I did not say that, anyways. Even if a group of people had a videocall about it, it's not a conspiracy, merely a group of people had a call about a long standing issue and did something about it, which was absolutely well within their rights - even if completely random, which it wasn't. We used to have chats with other Minecraft server admins about some specific people ("griefers"), too - not even the griefer thought they had any right of access or that we "conspired", though.

"Conspiracy - an evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons; plot." - https://www.dictionary.com/browse/conspiracy

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Post by simonh »

darawk wrote: post #542
bildung wrote: post #521

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> But that is always how these things start. There is no automatism. In many countries hate speech is forbidden, without them devolving into a dictatorship.

I think that's pretty arguable. Hate speech laws in the UK have been used in pretty questionable ways: https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/stephen-birrell-s-convic... https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-leeds-19883828 https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/sep/03/satanic-isla... This is just a small selection. Obviously the UK has not "devolved into a dictatorship", but it is clearly censoring non-violent political…

Birrell and Ahmed's convictions seems to go too far, they didn't actual incite violence or criminal activity and I think that's an important line. Is 'I hope they die' reasonably interpretable as incitement to kill? I'd say no, but is it hate speech? I'd have to say yes so from a legalistic point of view the prosecutions may have been legitimate. The concept of hate speech is a slippery slope though.

On the Satanic Islam case, the guy was acquitted on all charges so I don't think that supports your argument.

Anyway thank you for your last comment. I agree some of these cases went too far, but that doesn't mean we're some kind of oppressive police state. Neither of the two people convicted in these cases deserve any sympathy, in a broader moral sense they deserved everything they got, but at the cost of an erosion of our civil liberty protections at the margins that I hope we don't come to regret.

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Post by cburgas »

slg wrote: post #246
jessaustin wrote: post #223

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Most people agree with Rogan that transgender women who have only recently started on female hormones should not hide that status from biologically female opponents in mixed martial arts. It isn't feminist for women's bodies to be brutalized by men's bodies.

You are not giving the full extent of his comments on transgender people. He is against women who transitioned as adults from competing against other women. He is also against people taking steps as a child to make transitioning easier as an adult such as taking completely reversible hormone blockers to delay puberty until they are old enough to transition. So he leaves no possible path for a transgender woman to com…

His comment was specifically aimed at martial arts and I think could be extended to any contact sport. The on average smaller stature, different bone structure etc are giant disadvantages and would most likely lead to a higher potential of harm and damages.

I think nobody cares if differently gendered people run a race, you would see who is the fastest and people can draw their own conclusions if that is fair or not. I think this is very different if people start punching or run into each other at full speed.

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Post by bitwize »

GoofballJones wrote: post #283
busymom0 wrote: post #122

I agree with JRE leaving YouTube over the censorship but I disagree with him moving exclusively to spotify for following reasons: 1. Spotify was the one who conspired with Facebook, Apple and Google to ban Alex Jones and others. So if Joe is moving off of YouTube because he doesn't like the censorship, he's not getting anything better with Spotify. 2. Currently, Spotify doesn't have video (except album cover clips wh…

Alex Jones being kicked off those services isn't the same thing. He was spreading major misinformation and targeted harassment at innocent people that were involved in a tragedy. He wasn't "conspired" against. They just told him to go host his hate somewhere else. And stop with these "censorship" BS. Alex Jones has every right to start his own network if he wants and put anything on it. There's nothing stopping him f…

And when upstream service providers cut him off, he can start his own one of those.

When payment processors close all his accounts, he can start one of those.

Remember, kids, censorship refers to the government and only the government. Stray far enough onto the wrong side of history, and society may voluntarily decide you're an asshole and show you the door. And that'll be on you.

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Post by EdSharkey »

slg wrote: post #538
EdSharkey wrote: post #479

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Hm, I guess you could make an civil rights argument, but it's a tough sell when it comes to the ladies' room. There is a different take you may not be thinking of given that biological males' minds are naturally wretched and beyond contempt when it comes to everything dealing with sex. Some percentage of trans-women are trans primarily because that's a kink for them. It's their kink that has erupted onto their public…

I have to say that I have seen a lot of arguments in support of bathroom bans, but trans women have stinkier shits is new to me and perhaps the most outlandishly petty reason I could imagine. So while I disagree with the entirety of your post, I will give you kudos for coming up with that one.

Well, thank you. Eyerolls and disgust right back at 'cha.

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Post by toyg »

dmix wrote: post #441
brailsafe wrote: post #234

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I highly doubt many are convinced he's educated in any way about his topics lol. Some interviews are just entertaining.

Joe's whole bit as an interviewer is the curious kid asking dumb questions and getting interesting answers because he manages to get the people talking about what they are interested in. Joe gets teased by a ton of people for his dumb questions or how he goes off-topics, including for his Alpha Brain pseudoscience pill. But it's not a big deal to the fans. I really dislike this idea that humans are all dumb and take…

> Everyone in the west is trained since childhood to look through marketing, sales people, politicians

Not really. Very few are "trained" to look beyond, most people take everything at face value. Once they feel somewhat "betrayed", they go to the opposite end and start rejecting everything they hear, indiscriminately, unless it agrees with some of their core beliefs.

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Post by tomcam »

danso wrote: post #511
tomcam wrote: post #485

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Calm down, Sparky! Perhaps you misread what I wrote. I did not bring up defamation at all. The term used was conspiracy theory. Rachel Maddow pushed a conspiracy theory. It was completely disproven by the FBI investigation. She pushed it for three years with literally not a shred of evidence.

Perhaps you misread the discussion, Goofus! Youtube didn’t ban Alex Jones for being wrong about something.

Where did I refer to Alex Jones? I fear you may be responding to someone else.

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Post by croon »

revnode wrote: post #369
whoisjuan wrote: post #355

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> Amazon doesn’t want to host it either. This is total bullshit. Amazon doesn’t give a fuck about what you’re hosting on an S3 bucket as long as it’s not illegal. Also, Amazon is not the only storage provider in the world. Serving your bullshit to the world is definitely not an impediment or limitation. You’re making it sound like all the major corporations in the world colluded to ban fucking Alex Jones. The reality…

https://aws.amazon.com/aup/ They explicitly prohibit content that is "offensive". "Offensive Content. Content that is defamatory, obscene, abusive, invasive of privacy ..." Pretty sure he hits a few of those? So "Amazon doesn’t give a fuck" isn't quite right.

> It's about what values we choose to uphold as a society

> "Offensive Content. Content that is defamatory, obscene, abusive, invasive of privacy ..."

> Pretty sure he hits a few of those?

I have a hard time reconciling your two statements.

The slippery slope argument is great when you encounter a (seemingly) insignificant step in the wrong direction.

Banning Alex Jones on platforms is simply upholding societal values, by your own account.

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Post by gadders »

bitwize wrote: post #564
GoofballJones wrote: post #283

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Alex Jones being kicked off those services isn't the same thing. He was spreading major misinformation and targeted harassment at innocent people that were involved in a tragedy. He wasn't "conspired" against. They just told him to go host his hate somewhere else. And stop with these "censorship" BS. Alex Jones has every right to start his own network if he wants and put anything on it. There's nothing stopping him f…

And when upstream service providers cut him off, he can start his own one of those. When payment processors close all his accounts, he can start one of those. Remember, kids, censorship refers to the government and only the government. Stray far enough onto the wrong side of history, and society may voluntarily decide you're an asshole and show you the door. And that'll be on you.

He could end up like Laura Loomer and get banned from Uber, Uber Eats etc as well.
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