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Post by TomMarius »

ALittleLight wrote: post #514
GoofballJones wrote: post #283

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Alex Jones being kicked off those services isn't the same thing. He was spreading major misinformation and targeted harassment at innocent people that were involved in a tragedy. He wasn't "conspired" against. They just told him to go host his hate somewhere else. And stop with these "censorship" BS. Alex Jones has every right to start his own network if he wants and put anything on it. There's nothing stopping him f…

Alex Jones was banned from YouTube, Apple, Facebook, Twitter, and Spotify pretty much simultaneously and after years of successful use of each service. You can argue that the conspiracy to remove him from those platforms was a good thing, but I don't think it is reasonable to suggest that each of the platforms coincidentally decided to boot him at the same time. They clearly coordinated to ban him, they didn't coordi…

There was no conspiracy, and no censorship. He broke rules of all these platforms and the final straw pushed all platform owners to enforce their rules, that's it. It should be obvious to anyone that Facebook or Google or any other company can't be expected to publish anything anyone wants (did you even read the rules?) - since the dawn of the Internet we had to set up our own servers for that purpose. How is Facebook different from any old phpBB forum? Bans were often given for fun during these days!

Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by jfoster »

bvandewalle wrote: post #470
paulgb wrote: post #63

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Agreed. I don't think people appreciate how unique podcasting is as a distribution medium in that it has lasted so long as a completely open ecosystem. Nobody needs anyone's permission to write a podcasting app or launch a new podcast. Sad to see that start to change, but I'm also kind of optimistic for one reason: there's just so damned much audio content out there that it is people's attention, not audio content, t…

It feels like this became the life-cycle of Internet. The same thing happened with decentralized websites and blogs.then everyone got attracted by the managed platforms and now the web is more centralized than ever.

It pre-dates the internet. Happened with cable TV as well.

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Post by zajd »

darawk wrote: post #542
bildung wrote: post #521

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> But that is always how these things start. There is no automatism. In many countries hate speech is forbidden, without them devolving into a dictatorship.

I think that's pretty arguable. Hate speech laws in the UK have been used in pretty questionable ways: https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/stephen-birrell-s-convic... https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-leeds-19883828 https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/sep/03/satanic-isla... This is just a small selection. Obviously the UK has not "devolved into a dictatorship", but it is clearly censoring non-violent political…

> "Hope they [ie, Celtic supporters] all die. Simple. Catholic scumbags ha ha."

This is non-violent political speech?

Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by raverbashing »

willis936 wrote: post #446
chroma wrote: post #410

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You are conflating two forms of free speech: The right to freedom of speech enshrined in the constitution and the norm of free speech that we all tend to grant each other. Of course YouTube is a private company and can ban and delete whatever they want. But they are breaking a norm and the consequences of that may be worse than the consequences of letting us watch videos of crazy people. I've said it before and I'll…

You know who else breaks norms? Alex Jones when he peddles lies and threatens lives for profit. He needs to play by society’s rules if he wants to play by society’s rules. You can’t just pick and choose which norms you’re entitled to. That’s called being an asshole and 10 times out of 10 you will be shown the door. There’s a reason no one cried over him getting the boot. It isn’t an indication of some chilling dystop…

People here don't "understand" why Alex Jones is being ostracized because they (or the people they support) are not the target of their antics.

What if instead of persecuting 5G installers he was peddling persecution of FAANG employees? Would that be cool with the audience here?

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Post by meheleventyone »

mythrwy wrote: post #442
chillwaves wrote: post #378

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All these cries of "censorship" misunderstand that what is happening is fundamentally a business decision. When Alex Jones gets pulled from Youtube, it's because he is effecting their business relationships and ability to make money.

Couldn't you make the same argument about gay couples in a small town rural restaurant? But would it be morally right to ban those couples from a restaurant?

Because we have decided that after decades of bigotry, violence and discrimination that the rights of gay people to their life supersede the rights of free association for public businesses.

Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by ecmascript »

Sad, I don't have a spotify account I am for sure not gonna get one just to listen to JRE. I hate this kind of shit in the podcasting world.

Right now, the overwhelming majority of podcasts are open and if it were to change that would be a dark and sad day.

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Post by echelon »

whalesalad wrote: post #91
anoncake wrote: post #88

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To the contrary. If Spotify was valuable as a delivery mechanism, it wouldn't need exclusives. People would use it voluntarily.

There are tons of podcasts that are on Spotify in a non-exclusive manner.

> To me it illustrates that there is a lot of value in Spotify as a delivery mechanism and that the existing channels are not working.

Spotify is pouring money into attracting exclusive talent in order become more sticky to consumers and to build a moat against alternatives. They want to erode other platforms (including the open web) so that they become the unichannel.

This is not a sign of existing channels not working. This is taking land from natives and taxing it. It's being done by a powerful player that doesn't want freedom of choice, so long as the only option is their own.

This is not good for anyone but Spotify and Joe Rogan's net worth.

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Post by ALittleLight »

TomMarius wrote: post #551
ALittleLight wrote: post #514

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Alex Jones was banned from YouTube, Apple, Facebook, Twitter, and Spotify pretty much simultaneously and after years of successful use of each service. You can argue that the conspiracy to remove him from those platforms was a good thing, but I don't think it is reasonable to suggest that each of the platforms coincidentally decided to boot him at the same time. They clearly coordinated to ban him, they didn't coordi…

There was no conspiracy, and no censorship. He broke rules of all these platforms and the final straw pushed all platform owners to enforce their rules, that's it. It should be obvious to anyone that Facebook or Google or any other company can't be expected to publish anything anyone wants (did you even read the rules?) - since the dawn of the Internet we had to set up our own servers for that purpose. How is Faceboo…

If there was no conspiracy you think it was a coincidence that he was banned across all major platforms at the same time after using them for years?

I guess I can kind of see how it is possible to believe that it was a coincidence that all companies banned him simultaneously. It's obviously overwhelmingly unlikely that it was a coincidence, but that is at least a coherent thing to believe. On the other hand, I cannot say the same for the claim that there was "no censorship".

What do you call banning people because you don't like what they have to say and want to stop them from sharing their viewpoint if not censorship?

If you want to argue that Jones should be censored, that seems like a rational and worthwhile conversation. I don't get how you can argue that he wasn't censored though.

Regarding how Facebook, Apple, Twitter, YouTube, and Spotify are different than a random phpBB forum, I think I'll just leave that one as an exercise for the reader...

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Post by SamPatt »

darawk wrote: post #510
willis936 wrote: post #446

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You know who else breaks norms? Alex Jones when he peddles lies and threatens lives for profit. He needs to play by society’s rules if he wants to play by society’s rules. You can’t just pick and choose which norms you’re entitled to. That’s called being an asshole and 10 times out of 10 you will be shown the door. There’s a reason no one cried over him getting the boot. It isn’t an indication of some chilling dystop…

Nobody wants to be in the position of defending Alex Jones. He's totally indefensible. But that is always how these things start. Once you start regulating content on the basis of factual accuracy, you put these companies in the position of making decisions about political truth, and that is an extremely dangerous thing. These are really hard ethical questions, and I think both views are reasonable and understandable…

I agree that's how these things start. Now doctors in the field and epidemiologists are being censored on YouTube for having unorthodox views on COVID-19.
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