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Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by [deleted] »

tcberry wrote: post #519
RaleyField wrote: post #459

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You are choosing the most uncharitable reading which is not what he meant. How do I know that? Because, despite his meatheaddy appearances, he has consistently shown himself to not be transphobic, I watch his show. What he wanted to say is that her sex was biologically of male and that's why she has in this specific case unduly enormous advantage, to a degree that she is depriving others of fair chance at competing.

Whether or not trans athletes should be allowed to compete in the same classes as their cis counterparts in MMA is a conversation we can have, but it is beside the point. Trans women are women. If someone makes plainly transphobic comments, and then refuses to apologize for them (or even doubles down), I'm not going to go and listen to hundreds of hours of their content to attempt to gain a more nuanced understanding…

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Post by darawk »

bildung wrote: post #521
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Nobody wants to be in the position of defending Alex Jones. He's totally indefensible. But that is always how these things start. Once you start regulating content on the basis of factual accuracy, you put these companies in the position of making decisions about political truth, and that is an extremely dangerous thing. These are really hard ethical questions, and I think both views are reasonable and understandable…

> But that is always how these things start. There is no automatism. In many countries hate speech is forbidden, without them devolving into a dictatorship.

I think that's pretty arguable. Hate speech laws in the UK have been used in pretty questionable ways:

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/stephen-birrell-s-convic...

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-leeds-19883828

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/sep/03/satanic-isla...

This is just a small selection. Obviously the UK has not "devolved into a dictatorship", but it is clearly censoring non-violent political speech.

Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by brailsafe »

dmix wrote: post #441
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I highly doubt many are convinced he's educated in any way about his topics lol. Some interviews are just entertaining.

Joe's whole bit as an interviewer is the curious kid asking dumb questions and getting interesting answers because he manages to get the people talking about what they are interested in. Joe gets teased by a ton of people for his dumb questions or how he goes off-topics, including for his Alpha Brain pseudoscience pill. But it's not a big deal to the fans. I really dislike this idea that humans are all dumb and take…

I don't think I can agree with that, and would maybe even go a step further and suggest that what keeps the various pillars of North American society functioning, is a passive damper on asking 'why', if not an active one. I wouldn't say that we're dumb or that all information is taken at face value, but my impression is that a lot of people don't think very much about any given topic. The numbers aren't really run that often, or only by a minority. Why do I need a house, why do I need a car, why is/isn't my local government doing anything and how can I verify that? Especially when you're younger—for parental or institutional efficiency—people are often told 'don't ask why, just do it'. I definitely also dislike the idea, but I don't think I'd give people quite as much credit, and I'd like to.

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Post by medee »

mattcaldwell wrote: post #381
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I listen to Rogans podcast all the time , when has he ever made hate comments about transgender people ???? No way I'd have missed him saying something hateful about anyone period, let alone transgenders

He explicitly referred to Fallon Fox, saying "You are a fucking man." Not a very tactful way to speak about a transgender woman. And yes, that's transphobic speech.

He was probably using the word "man" in reference to Fox's biological sex rather than gender identity.

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Post by threeseed »

chasebank wrote: post #517
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> But they are breaking a norm Media companies selectively choosing what to publish has been the norm since forever. My local paper won't publish libellous comments I may write against a particular person whom I hold grudge against. And my local TV station wouldn't show a pornographic commercial that I thought would be hilarious to see. Private media companies ultimately answer to their advertisers and most of them s…

It would be more in line with your local library refusing to catalog your book. Youtube is a content host, not a publisher.

TV stations almost entirely host content.

So my point still stands that the norm is for media companies to be able to curate their content as they see fit.

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Post by dolguldur »

WSJ estimates this deal to be worth more than $100M.

I hope Joe Rogan has a plan for how to invest a good chunk of this for greater good. IMHO this kind of sum comes with a responsibility to do something with it that goes beyond your family and friends. (Like Tim Ferris does now for psychedelics research).

Judging by how I perceive him from the show, I don’t think he’s just greedy and wants that much for himself. Either there’s some detail in the contract that allows him to break free in case Spotify tries to censor too hard. Or he already has some longer-term thing in mind that he needs the capital for.

One nice detail is that they’d be free to play music.

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Post by meheleventyone »

defen wrote: post #512
XMPPwocky wrote: post #325

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We generally established that "I don't feel comfortable being around them" is not an excuse to discriminate back in the 60s. To clarify: would you argue that the existence of separate drinking fountains for white people and black people is justified because many white people feel uncomfortable drinking from the same fountain a black person has just used? If not, why not?

Isn't this an argument that there should be no bathroom segregation whatsoever? Why should women care if men use the same bathroom as them?

Yup and gender neutral bathrooms are a thing without much ceremony in a whole bunch of places.

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Post by TomMarius »

chasebank wrote: post #517
threeseed wrote: post #426

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> But they are breaking a norm Media companies selectively choosing what to publish has been the norm since forever. My local paper won't publish libellous comments I may write against a particular person whom I hold grudge against. And my local TV station wouldn't show a pornographic commercial that I thought would be hilarious to see. Private media companies ultimately answer to their advertisers and most of them s…

It would be more in line with your local library refusing to catalog your book. Youtube is a content host, not a publisher.

Public libraries are required by law to catalog books. Very different. Private libraries can and will often deny to catalog your random book.

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Post by camillomiller »

busymom0 wrote: post #122

I agree with JRE leaving YouTube over the censorship but I disagree with him moving exclusively to spotify for following reasons: 1. Spotify was the one who conspired with Facebook, Apple and Google to ban Alex Jones and others. So if Joe is moving off of YouTube because he doesn't like the censorship, he's not getting anything better with Spotify. 2. Currently, Spotify doesn't have video (except album cover clips wh…

From what you say it’s as if Joe Rogan is a solipsistic prick with a disproportionate ego who runs a much overrated show and who cares mostly about getting richer and richer...

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Post by emteycz »

chillwaves wrote: post #481
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Because the types of people that would believe in Holocaust-denial in 2020, are the same types of people that are fed by conspiracy theories when things are banned.

So what's the problem?

The existance of such ban. It feeds the conspiracy theorists, and it's just weird - why only this genocide, and not the communist one, which is increasingly denied thanks to Russian online presence? Why saying "Heil Hitler" and the gesture is criminal offense, but "Cest praci, soudruhu" (a Czech communist greeting) is not, and why the Hakenkreuz is forbidden, but the star, hammer and sickle is not? Why do statues of Stalin and Lenin and other communist leaders remain standing around the world? Surely you can imagine the outrage if it was Hitler's statue.

The laws shouldn't have such weirds corner cases of completely banning references to one thing and ignoring another, arguably worse thing.

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