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It's still up after two hours: https://imgur.com/a/9x0Yvyc I just tested it via two methods: 1) VPN'ed into work with Firefox in Private Mode (I posted from Brave) 2) Had a friend test it. He's on Chrome from a different city.
Interesting. What's the content of the video? Link?
Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube
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No. The great opening of the Internet brought points of view onto the internet at scales that hitherto were unknown. There are so many asshats on the Internet that old tactics of manual moderation do not work anymore. Doing nothing is a pathetic excuse for a solution.
What if someone considers you an "asshat"? What should they do? Sounds like the real issue is scale and anonymity then. What solution do you propose?
Self service moderation which serves as training for machine learning algorithms. Perhaps a system where messages aren’t whitelisted for the entire platform by default but instead must pass scrutiny as a canary. At first you could seed this with employees for users with no audience. During this time the sentiments of those who view the message are used to determine if wider distribution is desired.
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#983Just read on Wikipedia[1] that the Chinese Communist Party raided computer stores back in 1996 that sold Windows 95 because the OS contained text input software with the “communist bandit” word in its dictionary. Microsoft had to temporarily halt sales because of the incident.
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Am I crazy or was there a comment in this thread calling out the moderators of HN and their own censorship? Did it disappear as well?
The thread you're referring to is https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23223555 . There is ample explanation there of what happened.
thanks for the hard work here dang, I really appreciate your moderation. I hope you can appreciate our inquisitions from time to time. I think this kind of model works well in general to keep both sides accountable.
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#985Earlier quoted context omitted.
True, but to me the difference is the focus on the user rather than the platform. If somebody mails a package of child pornography to someone else the news doesn't attack the Post Office. Since it'd be government-run I wouldn't have a problem with each account being tied to a specific social security number. A true federal public utility that doesn't have to worry about crossing borders.
If the post office didn't comply with/lead an investigation into who mailed it (or something like a mail bomb - there are ways to do direct damage with the platform as well, imagine the site being used to host viruses) and instead said that they didn't moderate what went through the mail, they will protect free speech, mailing is a form of speech, and that they won't enforce anything for the spirit of the platform, t…
Yes, but there's a difference between complying with the law and having a constantly-shifting rulebook whose enforcement is predicated only on creating the largest value for shareholders. I want rules that apply to all users equally regardless of whether they have ten viewers or ten million, which today's online hosts like Youtube and Twitch blatantly don't do.
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#986All: please don't miss that there are multiple pages of comments. Unfortunately the two top subthreads have become so large that they fill out the first page entirely. You have to click 'More' at the bottom to see the rest (there are almost 1000 at this point).
I noticed this is the second thread that you’ve posted this message on within the same week.
Why not include some basic, numeric pagination links before comments start? Ex:
1 2 ... 5
Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube
#987Similar happens with the name "Eric Ciaramella", which YouTube instantly deletes. This is a name of a CIA whistle blower. It would be interesting to know what other words are in the YouTube censor list.
Anyone at Google, you can see the complete list here: http://cs/Eric+Ciaramella
Google still allows http internally?
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#988Try commenting 共匪 on any youtube video, the comment will be deleted after ~15 seconds
Just tried it on a video about WHO and Bruce Alyward. It's still up after 6 minutes. Either we're inundating their censor bot, it's been shadowbanned, or Google has stopped under the flak. I'll keep checking later.
My comment with "共匪" on the Tank Man video [1] was deleted within minutes.
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#989Counterpoint: this is (weirdly effective) reverse psychology. We know China runs slave camps near the NK border and slavery is typically demonized here in America. However, no one talks about it because China deplatforms relatively benign topics instead. Do we really think they wouldn't prefer a Winnie the Pooh image of their leader over slave camps? Even Tiananmen Square is preferable to forced human organ harvestin…
> We know China runs slave camps near the NK border We don't, actually. > slavery is typically demonized here in America No it's not, it's just hidden so liberals (including republicans) don't have to think about it. It's the prison industrial complex. > Do we really think they wouldn't prefer a Winnie the Pooh image of their leader over slave camps? Even Tiananmen Square is preferable to forced human organ harvestin…
so you think it's smart to look for "facts" in Chinese media with all their censorship? What a ridiculous idea, there are no facts there, only things their government wants people to see.
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>So... basically everyone who isn't a Trump supporter, then? No. There are plenty of non-Trump supporters[1] who don't care for YouTube censorship. However, the calls for censorship and pressure on social media companies came as a result of the panic-induced from Trump's election and Russian election interference, which does correlate with anti-Trump voices, more specifically Democratic party establishment and their…
> Democrats in Congress are cracking down on social media is by far a much bigger deal What legislation are you talking about? I mean... they only have one house of congress. I'm sure there's some rhetoric somewhere, but it's just rhetoric. I mean, the POTUS himself routinely calls for censorship of the news media, but it's likewise "just rhetoric" because he can't unilaterally pass laws (though he can come closer th…
>What legislation are you talking about? I mean... they only have one house of congress.
They can investigate and haul social media CEOs in front of the House - which they have done routinely, blaming them for things like Russian interference and Hillary losing the election. And any bull the Democrats throw out there against tech companies is magnified by mainstream outlets - who really do act like the arm of the establishment Democratic party when echoing Democratic talking points.
And elections are cyclical, today Democrats have the House, in 2021 they could have all three branches.
Maybe none of that would matter if it wasn't the case that these tech companies are ACTUALLY listening to these calls for censorship, even if Democrats have no power today.
>he POTUS himself routinely calls for censorship of the news media
POTUS is a doofus that mouths of all the time on twitter and press conferences and nobody (not social media companies, not the public) takes him seriously, with the exception of mainstream media outlets. It's been 3 years, and still, every tweet is the end of the world. He does have a lot of power to do a lot of things but he doesn't all those things, but the pearl-clutching that happens by the mainstream outlets anytime Trump tweets is now a joke on the media. And the media is stronger than ever under Trump, even after years of fawning over the Obama administration.