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Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

#821
I propose the following solution:

1) You must be signed in to view "controversial" comments

2) When you sign up you are given a "Safe search" style set of options for what kind of comment moderation you want (Safe, Moderate, None).

3) For users who want no moderation, apply US law or whichever law applies. For everyone else, apply the existing censorship.

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

#822
So I posted this last night [1], it got to the front page (77 points at the time) and after about an hour, it was gone... also missing from the Ask HN page.

I could imagine YouTube toeing the Chinese party line, but Hacker News? Really?! Is this about the Y Combinator fund not wanting to upset Chinese money?

This really leaves a bad taste in my mouth @pg

1. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23221264

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

#823

I think a more fundamental problem is a single private company having a near-monopoly on various public communication channels, and having financial interests in various global dictatorships. The Founding Fathers could not have predicted this. Google's "We're a private company" get-out-jail-free card cannot continue to apply.

Pretty sure they were aware of the East India Company (both Dutch and British), and other powerful mercantile organizations.

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

#824

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I’d recommend just breaking Google’s monopoly Would an independent YouTube be less susceptible to these requests?

Probably, as it would have fewer conflicts of interests and relationships with foreign dictatorships. ...but ideally, we would have multiple YouTube competitors, that would allow content creators vote with their choice to use Google.

YouTube has multiple competitors.

One of them is even a heavyweight - Facebook. Did you not realise that Facebook hosted videos? Maybe you're unaware that Instagram has Instagram TV section...

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

#825
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Youtube is in a tough spot. They will be blamed: - if they don't take down speech some consider hateful - if they take down speech some do not consider hateful 共匪 is seen as an insult by a group, but others do not. If Youtube bans nothing, then hate speech thrives and they get bad PR. If Youtube bans anything anyone flags as hate speech, then they become de facto as censorship agents for foreign powers. Anything crit…

They should honestly consider outsourcing the legal work on their platforms to various law firms around the world. There's clearly no will within the company to do legal heavy lifting and trying to develop tech solutions for this is a band aid at best

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

#826
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Similar happens with the name "Eric Ciaramella", which YouTube instantly deletes. This is a name of a CIA whistle blower. It would be interesting to know what other words are in the YouTube censor list.

I wonder if that name is also blocked from HN. According to google there is only one hit besides this comment section.

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

#827
post #59

Similar happens with the name "Eric Ciaramella", which YouTube instantly deletes. This is a name of a CIA whistle blower. It would be interesting to know what other words are in the YouTube censor list.

Gotta love this site. Snowden is revered around here yet a whistleblower goes through the proper channels to report wrongdoing by the US government and they still get outed, named, and trampled. Do you want government oversight or not? Do you want whistleblowers or not? And dang is nowhere to be found

Snowden blew the whistle on legitimate information - the other guy did not & that outcome was upheld in court.

Hard to see how you could miss such an important distinction between the two unless you had some other motive.

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

#828

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the perennial discussion on HN as HN'ers get popularity confused with monopoly. I get the anti-Google sentiment but outside of the Play services agreements that Google got dinged for with Android manufacturers, they're not being anti-competitive. If Google were to block search results to DuckDuckGo for example, that would be monopolistic and warrant antitrust action. As it is now, Google isn't blocking compet…

They do deliberately slow their sites on Firefox, as has been discussed in many past hn articles. YouTube for example. Pardon my lack of references, you should confirm for yourself with a hn search in case I am mistaken

In addition to this, their use of reCaptcha makes using a non-chrome browser a significantly worse experience on several sites.

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

#829
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

We have loads of communication channel alternatives. People freely choose google and should be allowed to continue freely choosing whatever platform they please. The idea that some governing body can better choose my communication platform for my personal needs than I can for myself doesn't seem logical from my point of view.

Ah yes, the idea that profit driven management is a better juror of freedom than our democratic society. Whatever they decide, they owe you no explanation or recourse. After all, these people are 'accountable' to wall street. To them 2008 and Boeing 737 were an unforceable turn of fortune, and they should bear no harm from it.

I'm sorry.... But what did we learn from 2008? That financial sector is unaccountable or that they own the government?

Boeing was not punished severely enough, because of two things - American nationalism would prevent it from drowning(helloo rescue package ;) ) and belief that they could fix it fast enough. But as a person holding Airbus stock for a long time, I disagree that Boeing wan't punished at all. Boeing's price dropped by 75%, while Airbus lost only 50%

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

#830

I think a more fundamental problem is a single private company having a near-monopoly on various public communication channels, and having financial interests in various global dictatorships. The Founding Fathers could not have predicted this. Google's "We're a private company" get-out-jail-free card cannot continue to apply.

Am I crazy or was there a comment in this thread calling out the moderators of HN and their own censorship? Did it disappear as well?
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