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Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by jessaustin »

nikivi wrote: post #8

Ben Thompson & James Allworth had a nice discussion recently on the podcasting space and how Spotify is posed to close over this space. https://overcast.fm/+BihnTujyQ Disregarding over all the negatives of centralizing podcast discovery in one place, I would love to pay one fee and get 0 ads on all the episodes. Where the money is then distributed to the podcast hosts I listen to the most (like Spotify does already w…

Apparently as a podcast consumer you prefer the "premium" Spotify model. As Thompson and Allworth have explained numerous times, they'll never be on Spotify. Centralization is not the reason for this decision, even though it's bad for humans in general. The main reason is they want a direct relationship with their customers, which may be redundant to say because does anyone on Spotify actually have a customer other than Spotify? (OK your link to some goofy aggregator instead of the actual Exponent podcast [0] sort of undercuts this; well played.) Interestingly, Thompson has explored other funding mechanisms for his other podcasts [1]. He prefers "open and paid" to "closed and free-as-in-beer". I have "subscribed" to several podcasts that would do well to use his tech; after paying the yearly fee I was given a link to a "secret" feed that could be shared with anyone if I or the podcast app I'm using chose to do so.

In many podcast apps, you can fast-forward through advertisements. When Spotify decides they have to have advertising in addition to subscriptions in order to make investors happy, their app won't allow such fast-forwarding. In that sense Spotify's new podcast model is a bit of a scam on investors. Buying talent with invested money makes sense as long as that investment is coming in. After that stops, the underlying business won't support it, and stars like Rogan will be back on RSS.

[0] https://exponent.fm/

[1] https://stratechery.com/2020/dithering-and-the-open-web/

Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by darkerside »

slg wrote: post #246
jessaustin wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most people agree with Rogan that transgender women who have only recently started on female hormones should not hide that status from biologically female opponents in mixed martial arts. It isn't feminist for women's bodies to be brutalized by men's bodies.

You are not giving the full extent of his comments on transgender people. He is against women who transitioned as adults from competing against other women. He is also against people taking steps as a child to make transitioning easier as an adult such as taking completely reversible hormone blockers to delay puberty until they are old enough to transition. So he leaves no possible path for a transgender woman to com…

Can you help me understand how it's fair for transitioned women to compete against men? I would expect this to be unfair in many sports because of natural biological differences. Not a troll, just looking for relevant facts to inform my world view.

Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by tree3 »

busymom0 wrote: post #122

I agree with JRE leaving YouTube over the censorship but I disagree with him moving exclusively to spotify for following reasons: 1. Spotify was the one who conspired with Facebook, Apple and Google to ban Alex Jones and others. So if Joe is moving off of YouTube because he doesn't like the censorship, he's not getting anything better with Spotify. 2. Currently, Spotify doesn't have video (except album cover clips wh…

Spotify actually has video already, which they used for music videos. Although it seems like they removed it fairly recently.

Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by mikeyouse »

LeoNatan25 wrote: post #224
pharke wrote: post #212

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You have to keep in mind that Joe is a comedian first and foremost. Comedians have had the rug pulled out from under them with COVID-19. He's doing what's right for his family at the moment. I fully expect this to come up in one of his next episodes and since he's up front about this stuff it'll probably be summed up as "Sorry you fucks, a man's gotta eat!"

Rogan makes tens of millions a year with the podcast ad revenue alone. I’ll make an educated guess his family is eating fine.

He has a $5M house in the LA Hills.. I think "doing the right thing for his family" means "buying a vacation home in Jackson Hole" or something by now..

https://www.thetravel.com/joe-rogan-house-bell-canyon-califo...

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Post by paulcole »

herostratus101 wrote: post #185
omgwtfbyobbq wrote: post #164

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I think the bigger threat is us enabling 2 to 3 large companies to the degree where their decisions can affect discourse. Alex Jones is a thoughtless jerk though, and can still find/provide his own hosting/distribution.

You presumably also would be in favor of domain brokers restricting speech (correct me if I'm wrong). Does every controversial political speaker also need to host his or her own ICANN domain? Or should they just promote their speech entirely offline?

There’s no shortage of companies who value money more than morals. Those affected can host their sites with one of them.

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Post by voz_ »

slg wrote: post #246
jessaustin wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most people agree with Rogan that transgender women who have only recently started on female hormones should not hide that status from biologically female opponents in mixed martial arts. It isn't feminist for women's bodies to be brutalized by men's bodies.

You are not giving the full extent of his comments on transgender people. He is against women who transitioned as adults from competing against other women. He is also against people taking steps as a child to make transitioning easier as an adult such as taking completely reversible hormone blockers to delay puberty until they are old enough to transition. So he leaves no possible path for a transgender woman to com…

People born as men who transition to women, and I fully support them, have unfair advantages against people born as women. Would you agree with that statement?

A better solution would be to allow a gender-agnostic bracket alongside women and men, where anyone can compete.

To people downvoting me: Please use the upvote/downvote as marking my contribution relevant or irrelevant, not to mark disagreement.

PS: I fully support trans people in all their rights, should go without saying but that is far from the default these days.

Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by slg »

free_rms wrote: post #247
slg wrote: post #246

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are not giving the full extent of his comments on transgender people. He is against women who transitioned as adults from competing against other women. He is also against people taking steps as a child to make transitioning easier as an adult such as taking completely reversible hormone blockers to delay puberty until they are old enough to transition. So he leaves no possible path for a transgender woman to com…

> In my opinion, the whole discussion of transgender people in sports is a proxy war for their role in society as a whole. There are a lot of people out there who care way more about sports than they do about the role of transgender people in society.

When you talk to most cisgender people, two of the biggest transgender issues they mention are sports and bathrooms. Meanwhile when transgender people are allowed to choose what sport to compete in or what bathroom to choose, there have been very few problems from them. It seems to me that lots of people just fundamentally believe that transgender people are wrong, gross, or whatever derogatory term you want to use and they work backwards from there looking for excuses before eventually landing on sports and bathrooms.

Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by voz_ »

busymom0 wrote: post #122

I agree with JRE leaving YouTube over the censorship but I disagree with him moving exclusively to spotify for following reasons: 1. Spotify was the one who conspired with Facebook, Apple and Google to ban Alex Jones and others. So if Joe is moving off of YouTube because he doesn't like the censorship, he's not getting anything better with Spotify. 2. Currently, Spotify doesn't have video (except album cover clips wh…

Banning Alex Jones is a good thing.

Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by saagarjha »

tomp wrote: post #177
paulgb wrote: post #168

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My point is that they don't get to decide that, though. They decide whether they will pay for hosting, but they can't stop him from paying for his own hosting elsewhere. Likewise, if the WSJ decides not to publish my letter to the editor, they aren't violating my freedom of speech, they are just deciding not to amplify it.

You’re trivialising the issue a bit. Remember when CloudFront stopped providing DDos protection to some white nationalist website (I forgot which one). “Just start your own multi-billion company bro!”

You sure you're not referring to CloudFlare and The Daily Stormer?
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