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Re: Notion for everyone

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Post by drannex »

fermienrico wrote: post #121
pcx wrote: post #49

I love using Notion, but I think the general discussion about it does not talk enough about how it's flexibility is also a problem many times. 1. Flexibility of blocks is a cognitive overhead for most folks in my team. They would rather prefer more constrained and opinionated approaches like Trello 2. Notion is currently a jack of all trades and master of none. We have tried to use it as a wiki, project tracker, issu…

Also, the whole Emoji's thing is distracting to me. I just want to see plain text in simple san-serif fonts, with borders (which are apparently outdated in favor of massive emptiness of negative space). Visual cognitive load is ok as far as the brain can process blocks of information. Such as a table with borders. When you have emojis, colors, effects, etc without clarity of separation, you get something that becomes…

+1 on that, I have an unreal disinterest in emojis in all forms.

Re: Notion for everyone

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Post by xet7 »

rattray wrote: post #154
srmatto wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GitHub more or less offers this in the Projects board feature: https://help.github.com/en/github/managing-your-work-on-gith...

Folks who have used both Trello and gh Projects, how does Projects compare?

gh Projects

Pro:

- Integrated with GitHub issues

Con:

- Can not move card to other board

- No import/export

- No themes

- No change background image

- Only basic automation of moving cards to Done list etc

Trello

Pro:

- Can move card/list to other boards

- Export to JSON

- GitHub Power-Up for GitHub integration

- Butler for automating, in English

- Themes

- Change background image

- API

Con:

- Only SaaS, can not self-host, not Open Source

- No Swimlanes

- Export to CSV needs paid account

- No Import from JSON/CSV on free version web UI

Wekan https://wekan.github.io

Pro:

- Open Source, can self-host on x64, RasPi3/4 etc

- Import from Trello JSON cards/lists/checlists/attachments/labels/votes

- Import CSV, currently importing custom fields in progress of being added

- Import from Wekan JSON including attachments

- Export CSV, currently exporting custom fields in progress of being added

- Export Wekan JSON including attachments

- IFTTT Rules wizard has translations, but less rules than similar Trello Butler

- Swimlanes

- Themes

- Gogs integration https://github.com/wekan/wekan-gogs

- API, Outgoing Webhooks per board, Global Webhooks at admin panel of (nearly) all board actions

Con:

- Not integrated with GitHub yet

- No move list to other board yet

- No change background image yet

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Post by jonpurdy »

_fzslm wrote: post #45
franky47 wrote: post #23

The one thing that bothers me about Notion (and Slack and other "everything in one place" tools), is the lack of encryption. I might have FAANGophobia, but whenever there is a free tier without a form of end-to-end encryption in place, it feels like a data puddle waiting to become a lake. That being said, having clear-text data would allow features like an API on publicly shared pages/blocks, to use Notion as a CMS.…

this is the only thing that stops me from using Notion, too. just downloaded it and it looks like it would change my life... except i don't own the data. right now i'm trying out Outline [1] which has an option for self hosting. [1] https://github.com/outline/outline

I just checked outline out and went to try the hosted version, but looks like they don't let me sign up with my own email. I generate emails for each service I use, and am much too lazy to generate a Slack account just to use it to sign into this. I suppose I could spin up an instance and self-host, but don't want to dedicate 30 mins to just setting this up to test it out.

Re: Notion for everyone

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Post by Lightbody »

gkoberger wrote: post #53
avolcano wrote: post #5

This is kinda weird, because I was happily giving them $4/month after running out of space in their trial plan, and now I absolutely have no reason to keep giving them money. Which, sure, I guess I'll take it. My $4/month isn't going to make or break their business and they probably barely give a shit about getting money for personal usage. Does remind me that my usage of their app doesn't align with their business m…

Github just did the same thing! It’s because the math works like this: They’d need 1,000 people to pay them $4 to match a single enterprise company paying them $4k/mo. So they just need one of those 1,000 people to bring Notion into their company, and they’re ahead. If they get 10, they’re way ahead. (This is slightly simplified, of course)

The impressive thing here is that it's (sadly) pretty rare for a company to actively cease a revenue stream and think of the longer term benefits.

GitHub and Notion are two recently examples, but for every one I see in the market, I can point to at least 10 that failed to take the obvious action.

Re: Notion for everyone

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Post by salilpn12 »

TacoToni wrote: post #82

As a user of Apple Notes for personal and OneNote for work. What are the benefits of Notion - i have the app installed, but i always default to basic apple notes.

I love apple notes for its simplicity too but I think it lacks a good search engine and taking down technical notes with code

Re: Notion for everyone

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Post by kuiro5 »

I'm long Notion. I've been using it since the beginning, and it's hard to beat its flexibility. I had a brief stint using plain markdown, but at the end of the day, most of the notes I'm taking are meant to be shared.

Not sure if it's the rich formatting or customization, but I find myself coming back to notes and utilizing them much more frequently in Notion than I did with plain text.

The latest releases have resolved some of my larger issues like performance, search, and quick notes on mobile. I'm happy they're making their product more accessible, and I'm looking forward to the API.

Re: Notion for everyone

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Post by yesion »

scblzn wrote: post #282

I tried it around November 2019, really liked Notion and the UI/UX of the product for some note taking/personal knowledge base, however I had to contact their security team through their support because TLS 1.0 was still enabled at this time. They say they are audited by NCC ( https://www.notion.so/Security-6c56b4854b624b0d8f36711018647... ) but I don't know how NCC missed this. They disabled TLS 1.0 few days after m…

Valid points, as a customer I find that very concerning and I would like to hear their thoughts.

Re: Notion for everyone

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Post by xet7 »

Benmcdonald__ wrote: post #32
franky47 wrote: post #23

The one thing that bothers me about Notion (and Slack and other "everything in one place" tools), is the lack of encryption. I might have FAANGophobia, but whenever there is a free tier without a form of end-to-end encryption in place, it feels like a data puddle waiting to become a lake. That being said, having clear-text data would allow features like an API on publicly shared pages/blocks, to use Notion as a CMS.…

There is no easy way to implement client side encryption. You will have a private key or long password the you will keep safe. You lose that all your data in gone. Plus it's difficult to securely move that password to a new platform

Maybe it's not easy to have client side encryption, but it seems CryptPad has it:

https://cryptpad.fr

https://github.com/xwiki-labs/cryptpad

Re: Notion for everyone

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

anchpop wrote: post #262
rockostrich wrote: post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a UX dark pattern because (besides deleting the html element) there's no way to dismiss a call to action, you can only ignore it.

Just because it's annoying doesn't mean it's a dark pattern in the typical sense of the word. Here's darkpatterns.org's definition: > Dark Patterns are tricks used in websites and apps that make you do things that you didn't mean to, like buying or signing up for something. And here is the one used by the verge [0]: > A dark pattern is a user interface carefully crafted to trick users into doing things they might not…

> Just because it's annoying doesn't mean it's a dark pattern in the typical sense of the word.

I'm happy to include multiple forms of coercion; the pattern here is the ratchet: https://jacquesmattheij.com/dark-patterns-the-ratchet/

> It's just a little annoying thing that bugs you until you do what they want.

That's a nice summary of a class of dark patterns, yes.

> It's not unethical, but if you don't like it you shouldn't use their site.

It absolutely is unethical, and yes as I said above I will consider this a good reason to avoid the app.

Re: Notion for everyone

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Post by OOPMan »

asaddhamani wrote: post #186
arkitaip wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only on HN can people question the existence of an app which has 50M users. Trello might not be this month's flavor but I'll be damned if it's not one of the most useful planning tools out there.

I don't know how Trello has 50M users, and how so many people and companies can use it for project management. For anything more than a single board, I find it terribly lacking in functionality. Can't even see all your cards across boards without scrolling 50 times.

Using Trello well requires you to ruthlessly process cards. Once they start to "overflow" it becomes a nightmare
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