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Re: Notion for everyone

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Post by aloer »

tablet wrote: post #182
pcx wrote: post #49

I love using Notion, but I think the general discussion about it does not talk enough about how it's flexibility is also a problem many times. 1. Flexibility of blocks is a cognitive overhead for most folks in my team. They would rather prefer more constrained and opinionated approaches like Trello 2. Notion is currently a jack of all trades and master of none. We have tried to use it as a wiki, project tracker, issu…

Good points. It seems you might enjoy Fibery[1], it addresses most of these problems (and has internal whiteboard as draw.io replacement as well). But I’m biased as a Fibery founder. [1] https://fibery.io

your site looks amazing and the I don't get it button is really great.

But... even after looking at all the four separate landing pages I have no idea what exactly fibery could do for me

Re: Notion for everyone

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Post by scblzn »

I tried it around November 2019, really liked Notion and the UI/UX of the product for some note taking/personal knowledge base, however I had to contact their security team through their support because TLS 1.0 was still enabled at this time.

They say they are audited by NCC ( https://www.notion.so/Security-6c56b4854b624b0d8f36711018647... ) but I don't know how NCC missed this. They disabled TLS 1.0 few days after my message.

My second concern is that their .so domain is the TLD of Somalia (with all the risks it brings in case of malicious takeover), and .so zone doesn't even support DNSSEC, once again this is a big issue for me, especially for an app that hosts "personal data" (I see they also make calls on a .com domain, but the .so main domain issue still stands). Support told me they would change the domain in the future but still didn't happened.

It's only my personal security stance/paranoia, but my 2 cents of what happened with them.

Re: Notion for everyone

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Post by pagade »

pcx wrote: post #49

I love using Notion, but I think the general discussion about it does not talk enough about how it's flexibility is also a problem many times. 1. Flexibility of blocks is a cognitive overhead for most folks in my team. They would rather prefer more constrained and opinionated approaches like Trello 2. Notion is currently a jack of all trades and master of none. We have tried to use it as a wiki, project tracker, issu…

I am really surprised no one has mentioned https://zenkit.com/. Kanban - Wiki - Calendar - List - Mindmap - Hierarchy etc. It does those things very well.

Re: Notion for everyone

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Post by ezekg »

Notion's lack of 2FA, user roles, or the ability to enforce (only) Google OAuth makes it a non-starter for any real use cases in a tech company (ticket/task management, product planning, employee wiki, etc.). We wanted to use it, but their lax stance on security made us go elsewhere, even though the entire team loved the product as an all-in-one solution to product. I found an old conversation on Twitter dating back a couple years of Notion telling a customer that 2FA is on the roadmap, which was unfortunate.

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Post by etiennebch »

rattray wrote: post #154
srmatto wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GitHub more or less offers this in the Projects board feature: https://help.github.com/en/github/managing-your-work-on-gith...

Folks who have used both Trello and gh Projects, how does Projects compare?

Less clunky in my opinion if you use it for software development because you can link it to issues / PRs and automate based on that

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Post by biosed »

pagade wrote: post #283
pcx wrote: post #49

I love using Notion, but I think the general discussion about it does not talk enough about how it's flexibility is also a problem many times. 1. Flexibility of blocks is a cognitive overhead for most folks in my team. They would rather prefer more constrained and opinionated approaches like Trello 2. Notion is currently a jack of all trades and master of none. We have tried to use it as a wiki, project tracker, issu…

I am really surprised no one has mentioned https://zenkit.com/ . Kanban - Wiki - Calendar - List - Mindmap - Hierarchy etc. It does those things very well.

Is data removable, do you use?

Re: Notion for everyone

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Post by keithnz »

ESTheComposer wrote: post #142

I’m not sure what it is, but I feel like HN seems to pick apart everything that’s posted in a negative light. Honestly I discovered Notion a few years back and used it for a while, but stopped using it when I couldn’t sync it with my teams project management software. Fast forward a few years and my SO and I were at a restaurant sitting next to a guy who’s one of the early engineers in the company, and that sparked m…

Not my experience of HN, it highlights both the positive and negatives. There is a lot of critical feedback, often from people who have built successful products, and it can be really useful for those trying to start/grow their product. For some people, Notion will hit a sweet spot, for others, it won't. I did an evaluation of it, and found it had a bunch of shortcomings for our development team and I sent my feedback to them.

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Post by ezekg »

abuehrle wrote: post #97
_fzslm wrote: post #45

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this is the only thing that stops me from using Notion, too. just downloaded it and it looks like it would change my life... except i don't own the data. right now i'm trying out Outline [1] which has an option for self hosting. [1] https://github.com/outline/outline

I just checked out Outline. It seems strange that the landing page example is lifted straight from Stripe's docs[1] with "Stripe" replaced by "Acme". [1] https://stripe.com/docs/webhooks#what-are-webhooks

I can tell you that a large majority of in-production API docs use Stripe's docs as a template. I did it for my company, and I've seen a ton of other API services do it. Stripe leads in API docs, so it's easier to not reinvent the wheel and just do what works. I know this instance isn't even for a production product, but meh.

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Post by pagade »

biosed wrote: post #286
pagade wrote: post #283

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am really surprised no one has mentioned https://zenkit.com/ . Kanban - Wiki - Calendar - List - Mindmap - Hierarchy etc. It does those things very well.

Is data removable, do you use?

I use it for personal purpose. By data removable, I guess you mean right to be forgotten. Their https://zenkit.com/en/gdpr/ page provides the details.

Re: Notion for everyone

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Post by jonpurdy »

ericax wrote: post #178

Notion is great, I used to want to build my knowledge base in it, but figured it's not future-proof enough for my needs. And that's part of the reason we went on to build Obsidian ( https://obsidian.md/ ), the local-first knowledge base app. Everything is in plain text Markdown. Screenshot: https://i.imgur.com/zof4zCj.png Just released 0.6.0 and here's a video for anyone interested: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KA…

I like the idea of Notion, but one of things keeping me is that it seems like it'd be a pain to export one's data if Notion ever went out of business.

But just keeping folders of Markdown notes is also inflexible, but on the opposite side of the scale.

Obsidian looks like a great balance! I've requested beta access as well.

Edit: Obsidian seems to make it easy to create a Zettelkasten, sort of like https://github.com/alefore/weblog/blob/master/zettelkasten.m... but with automation baked in.

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