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Under AI’s Watchful Eye, China Wants to Raise Smarter Students (2019) [video]

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Post by zmalk »

Udik wrote: post #28
273737e7eudhd wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The headbands were handled via a partnership with Zhejiang Brainco Technology Co Ltd. so donation is far from the right word to use. One of their partner's cofounders is also a Harvard PhD holder so it's hardly a case of the Chinese company just being there to take up space as is often claimed around here. This is a donation in the same way that lots of large American companies are Irish. And the objections from pare…

> The headbands were handled via a partnership with Zhejiang Brainco Technology Co Ltd Which I guess is a subsidiary of the US-based company BrainCo located in Massachusetts. The article describes the provisioning of the headbands as a donation, which I guess makes sense if you're a startup and you want to test a pilot program in a market that might be receptive to your product. The fact that Chinese parents protest…

> Which I guess is a subsidiary of the US-based company BrainCo located in Massachusetts.

Why am I not surprised. A U.S. company designs a device that likely does not work but can be used to control people who think it works.

No orders come in, so let's donate it to a Chinese school for a pilot project in the hope that the CCP bites.

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Post by [deleted] »

Udik wrote: post #18
rmrfstar wrote: post #17

Because micromanaging people is how you get more Feynmans and Shannons. Bengio, Hinton, and Lecun were pariahs for decades, until all of the sudden they were rock stars. I feel so bad for the 1.3bn people living under this. If we're not careful its going to keep creeping into the West and creativity will suffer. Edit: removed profanity

> I feel so bad for the 1.3bn people living under this bullshit. So the WSJ succeeded in its purpose of spreading anti-Chinese propaganda. Wow, so easy. Check a more complete story here: https://qz.com/1742279/a-mind-reading-headband-is-facing-bac... EDIT: less snarky. Please pay attention, I have the feeling that Western media are building an anti-China sentiment because the West (the US in particular) feels threate…

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Post by admiral33 »

bradleykingz wrote: post #9
honkycat wrote: post #7

as an autodidac that did extremely poorly in school, but flourished when people FINALLY left me alone and let me concentrate on what I am interested in: I could not imagine what kind of hell this would be. For a lot of the population School sucks and is a waste of time.

I have the exact same feeling. I'm not sure how well these will work, but if the person isn't comfortable, it only leads to mental health issues later on on life. School is tough enough to begin with. I can't imagine how much more difficult and stressful it will be for these kids.

Obviously in this case the mental health of these students is tragically coming in second place.

Beyond that it's also naive. I can't think of a faster way to destroy a work force's future variance in creativity than by having them all optimized for an opaque algorithm.

Many of the world's most accomplished found their genius through events and choices that cannot be optimized for. Heart break, substance abuse, loss - to name a few.

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Post by matthewfelgate »

honkycat wrote: post #7

as an autodidac that did extremely poorly in school, but flourished when people FINALLY left me alone and let me concentrate on what I am interested in: I could not imagine what kind of hell this would be. For a lot of the population School sucks and is a waste of time.

Ah projecting YOUR experience onto everyone else. How absolutely selfish.

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Post by brobdingnagians »

honkycat wrote: post #7

as an autodidac that did extremely poorly in school, but flourished when people FINALLY left me alone and let me concentrate on what I am interested in: I could not imagine what kind of hell this would be. For a lot of the population School sucks and is a waste of time.

Totally agree; I left high school early (no diploma) so that I could go to college. In high school I hated it, didn't do my homework, got poor grades, hated my math classes, and was generally inattentive; but I loved college, breezed through most classes, and discovered that I loved mathematics, so I majored in it, and now I've started a successful company.

My experience is different than most peoples', but the key thing is that people have a _choice_ and can find out what works for them. The more we try to fit people into algorithms, and top-down control, the less they can go find out what they are happy doing and how they want to do it. Control, coercion, surveillance and manipulation tend to choke out the beauty of life.

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Post by victornomad »

This is probably just research from some institution. Why the WSJ generalize and say that "Under AI’s Watchful Eye, ---> China They should rephrase it into something like "Research tries to find if..."

I trust western media the same as Chinese media...

(Edit: format)

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Post by christophilus »

Udik wrote: post #28
273737e7eudhd wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The headbands were handled via a partnership with Zhejiang Brainco Technology Co Ltd. so donation is far from the right word to use. One of their partner's cofounders is also a Harvard PhD holder so it's hardly a case of the Chinese company just being there to take up space as is often claimed around here. This is a donation in the same way that lots of large American companies are Irish. And the objections from pare…

> The headbands were handled via a partnership with Zhejiang Brainco Technology Co Ltd Which I guess is a subsidiary of the US-based company BrainCo located in Massachusetts. The article describes the provisioning of the headbands as a donation, which I guess makes sense if you're a startup and you want to test a pilot program in a market that might be receptive to your product. The fact that Chinese parents protest…

> every time I read an article about the Chinese society I discover a much more nuanced picture than "it's a dictatorship with no free press and human rights".

This is a generalizable realization. If you’re aligned with any political faction, it’s best to assume that what you hear about other factions is more negative than the reality.

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Post by malux85 »

honkycat wrote: post #7

as an autodidac that did extremely poorly in school, but flourished when people FINALLY left me alone and let me concentrate on what I am interested in: I could not imagine what kind of hell this would be. For a lot of the population School sucks and is a waste of time.

I’m similar to you - autodidact, poor in school, successful later - and I think it depends how the A.I. is implemented.

My observation of school was that the ratio of 1 teacher to 25 students (who all have different learning speeds) means that the teacher is optimally teaching only a fraction of the kids, the rest at each side are overwhelmed or bored.

If the AI is able to help the slower students and stimulate the brighter ones, then I think that would have taken away a lot of the boredom for me and made it a much better experience

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Post by javajosh »

malux85 wrote: post #39
honkycat wrote: post #7

as an autodidac that did extremely poorly in school, but flourished when people FINALLY left me alone and let me concentrate on what I am interested in: I could not imagine what kind of hell this would be. For a lot of the population School sucks and is a waste of time.

I’m similar to you - autodidact, poor in school, successful later - and I think it depends how the A.I. is implemented. My observation of school was that the ratio of 1 teacher to 25 students (who all have different learning speeds) means that the teacher is optimally teaching only a fraction of the kids, the rest at each side are overwhelmed or bored. If the AI is able to help the slower students and stimulate the b…

>the ratio of 1 teacher to 25

As an aside, I've often wondered if it's not class size that's the issue, but conflicting ability and personality types. Things like the GATE program grouped high ability kids, but personality matters and it would be interesting to match students together and with a compatible teacher. Of course, this might fail spectacularly as one of the benefits of diversity is getting other perspectives, and learning empathy. But I think it would be an interesting experiment, especially in a class like math.

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