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Post by seibelj »

MuffinFlavored wrote: post #155
seibelj wrote: post #146

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Can you explain what is morally wrong with buying or selling sex? I’m not “trendy”, it’s a deeply held philosophical belief about individual freedom.

I don't feel like the average person who says "I'm ok with females selling sex" would actually be ok + proud of their mother / daughter / sister / grandma / cousin if they sold sex for a living.

It doesn't matter what anyone feels "proud" about. I wouldn't be proud of my daughter being a tax accountant, I would rather she was a porn star (I am 100% serious - porn stars add value to society and make people happy).

We live in a free society, and if someone wants to be filmed naked, or paid to have sex, that's their decision to make regardless if it makes you feel icky.

I hope you have spent your whole life abstaining from pornography, because you must feel a great deal of anger at them and shame for what they did.

Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

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Post by mydongle »

[deleted] wrote: post #158
mydongle wrote: post #62

As a guy, I'm cool with this kind of stuff. But what message does this send to girls who are not considered attractive enough or just don't want to do this kind of work? The message is that all the study, work, and effort to work in a meaningful career is a freaking joke, when all it takes is to be born a certain way and make huge amounts of money selling your body. On the other hand, we have a generation of young ma…

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There's nothing inherently exploitive/evil about being a hikkikomori. It's not like they are getting paid and living large off being one. Those are legitimately mentally ill people often times.

Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

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Post by elliekelly »

MuffinFlavored wrote: post #155
seibelj wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you explain what is morally wrong with buying or selling sex? I’m not “trendy”, it’s a deeply held philosophical belief about individual freedom.

I don't feel like the average person who says "I'm ok with females selling sex" would actually be ok + proud of their mother / daughter / sister / grandma / cousin if they sold sex for a living.

I would be. And of my father/son/brother/grandpa too.

Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

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Post by sevencolors »

solidasparagus wrote: post #152
DoreenMichele wrote: post #88

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But what message does this send to girls I think the larger problem is the degree to which men refuse to engage women in a substantive intellectual fashion. I appear to be the highest ranked woman on HN. I've been here over a decade. It continues to be the case that most men don't really want to talk much with me unless they are hitting on me. This has proven to be a huge barrier to effective networking and a huge ba…

I don't mean to be personal or rude - I only say this because someone said it to me once and it helped me. Your experiences in comment threads are often a reflection of what YOU write. Hostile people get hostility, humble people often get humbleness in return. Looking at this comment thread, some of the problems you mention in this comment have come up and perhaps it's worth considering whether that is due to how you…

Christ on a cracker, did you just shame someone for speaking their mind and having a strong opinion? ON THE INTERNET? Yes humble people can get humbleness in return. But there's a lot of people telling them they're still doing it wrong.

Also, pro-tip. Starting out a sentence with "I don't mean to be rude" is a glaring clue that you're about to be a dick.

Hugs & Kisses! <3

Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

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Post by MuffinFlavored »

elliekelly wrote: post #163
MuffinFlavored wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't feel like the average person who says "I'm ok with females selling sex" would actually be ok + proud of their mother / daughter / sister / grandma / cousin if they sold sex for a living.

I would be. And of my father/son/brother/grandpa too.

Do you think you are better/more open-minded than somebody who would not be ok + would look down upon a member of their family performing sex work?

The topic of sex work morality acceptance has a very "me versus them" vibe to it, much like left versus right in the US.

Is there any middle ground of "you can do whatever you want, I am not infringing on your rights, but I personally disagree" that doesn't land the speaker into "time to get cancelled by the leftist mob for being a bigot" territory?

Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

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Post by redis_mlc »

sio8ohPi wrote: post #145
downerending wrote: post #139

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If there 1000 other waiters who appear to be perfectly thrilled to work without tips, why would I? If someone needs charity, I'd consider it, but I don't care to be "paid" with naked pictures in that case.

But they will work without tips. Nobody is making you tip. Why not just pay for your meal and leave?

For non-US HN readers:

In the US, the IRS assumes you make a certain amount in tips if you work in a job that customarily allows tipping.

So when a customer doesn't tip, the waiter still has to pay taxes on the money you didn't give them.

But wait, it gets worse (this being the US):

Some states allow paying waiters less than minimum wage if tipping is customary. As low as $2/hour.

So a waiter could actually end up owing more money in taxes than what they made that day. All this, and no health or dental insurance, or pension.

I could go on, but you get the idea.

Actually, I will go on. Since most states are at-will, you can be fired for any or no reason at any time.

But just as common, the restaurant manager will threaten you with reduced hours if you call in sick, or get a customer complaint (ie. "My spaghetti wasn't al dente. What's wrong with that waiter today.") Or if you don't do the manager "favors" (see the Chipotle scandal.)

BTW, a couple days ago I was wondering how esperate people would make a living during the extended lockdown. Then I saw the HN submission for OnlyFans ...

Welcome to the USA!

Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

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Post by jachee »

MuffinFlavored wrote: post #157
krapp wrote: post #147

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>That's an insanely modern/left view with zero consideration to basically all historically socially accepted conservative views of the past. No, not every culture in history has been saddled with the Judeo-Christian prejudice against women and their sexuality. Also, historically socially accepted "conservative" views include slavery, rule by divine right, child labor and trial by combat. A view having been held and t…

> A view having been held and taken for granted for a long time doesn't make it correct. The leftist mob of blue Twitter checkmarks has been cancelling people since about... 2012? It's trendy to be pro sex work, anti-corporation in 2020. The majority of people commenting online about how "pro sex work" they are do not have a sex worker in their life by a longshot. It's all theory/keyboard warrior/armchair activist st…

And who are you to gatekeep what causes people can and cannot support without a direct association?

Also, you completely discredited yourself from any sort of worthy debate with "leftist mob".

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Post by anigbrowl »

MuffinFlavored wrote: post #136
seibelj wrote: post #123

Who would have guessed so many people on HN are against individual freedom? There is absolutely zero ethically or morally wrong with someone selling sex, or buying sex from someone else. Or maybe we should ban pop music stars from revealing too much skin in their music videos? Where do you draw the line between "This is immoral!" and "Wow, what a successful person!" Just ignore it if you don't like it. No one puts a…

> There is absolutely zero ethically or morally wrong with someone selling sex, or buying sex from someone else. That's an insanely modern/left view with zero consideration to basically all historically socially accepted conservative views of the past. It's trendy to support sex workers online in 2020 but in the 2000s I'm pretty sure 95% of white suburbia wouldn't have wanted their daughters hanging out with sex work…

basically all historically socially accepted conservative views

If you need more than 3 qualifiers it's probably BS. You could just post why you think sex work is bad, but your numerous posts on this topic all seem to rely on invoking social sanctions or paranoia, ie making people feel bad about it without saying why you think they should.

Seems kinda like your personal hangup.

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Post by kcmastrpc »

lostmsu wrote: post #57
marpstar wrote: post #27

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Porn isn't new, obviously. But there's a big difference between finding a stack of your grandpa's Playboys 30 years ago and having a never-ending stream of high-resolution video. Worlds apart as far as the effects on the brain go. Read the research: https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/research/

That site can not be used as a credible source, as it does not list any research contrary to its agenda.

Yes they do? https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/relevant-research-and-articl...

Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

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Post by dontbenebby »

MuffinFlavored wrote: post #125
GaryNumanVevo wrote: post #32

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Sex work is work all the same. From a normative standpoint, we ought to support sex workers directly, rather than the studios and production companies that are often exploitative. OnlyFans seems to get rid of the middlemen in the porn / cam girl industry, I think that's a massive benefit for sex workers today.

My question to most people on this forum are: would you really be ok if your daughter was best friends with a sex worker? Everybody says "of course!" in theory... but in reality I think it falls apart. Lots of blurred moral lines.

>My question to most people on this forum are: would you really be ok if your daughter was best friends with a sex worker? Everybody says "of course!" in theory... but in reality I think it falls apart. Lots of blurred moral lines.

I have more respect for a sex worker than someone who builds unconstitutional mass surveillance tools. At least most sex work is legal.

I think the only "blurred moral line" wrt sex work is that folks who were supportive of gay rights, marijuana legalization, and other individual freedoms then pump the brakes on their social libertarianism as soon as the chance to support a vulnerable population appears that may actually require politely but firmly disagreeing with folks they personally know.

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