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Patio11's Law: The software economy is bigger than you think

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Re: Patio11's Law: The software economy is bigger than you think

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Post by youdonthavekids »

crimsonalucard wrote: post #409
youdonthavekids wrote: post #397

Earlier quoted context omitted.

TO rebuild SAP's manufacturing and finance capabilities into your own system would take many many years and cost large sums of money, you are then stuck supporting a custom solution forever and you'll be forever behind your competitors, your industry trends and whatever new tax or other legislation that needs adding to you system. This isn't nodejs and MySQL mate.

>TO rebuild SAP's manufacturing and finance capabilities into your own system would take many many years and cost large sums of money, you are then stuck supporting a custom solution forever and you'll be forever behind your competitors, your industry trends and whatever new tax or other legislation that needs adding to you system. I feel you build ERP systems. I feel that you're just trying to defend a life long car…

I used to implement ERP systems. I don't anymore.

SAP released new IFRS tax compliance features last year to match the latest government regulations; they then gave this is over 4000 customers for free. It cost SAP around 1.2 million EURO to build, test and roll out. Are you saying that those 4000 customers (companies) should have just built their own tax compliance finance systems? That would have cost 4000 * 1.2 million which would be a total economic spend of four billion eight hundred million... how about you put your ego on the shelf and listen to other people?

You're advocating building massive software applications over using what's already available and you're advocating that all companies do this... you completely ignored my argument and you have no idea what you're talking about. Just because you write crappy webapps in JS that doesn't mean you understand the software market at all.

Re: Patio11's Law: The software economy is bigger than you think

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Post by youdonthavekids »

crimsonalucard wrote: post #407
youdonthavekids wrote: post #396

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I can't even grasp how you can be so far off the mark. I kind of assumed most people on HN would understand large software platforms and how rolling your own is often not a worthwhile investment. Maybe you should just create your own IDE when you want to write new code or maybe develop our own version of Word when you want to write a letter. How about develop your own email system too? As for the database, traditiona…

>I can't even grasp how you can be so far off the mark. I kind of assumed most people on HN would understand large software platforms and how rolling your own is often not a worthwhile investment. Man I'm so stupid. I don't know how to be intelligent like you. Maybe I should write the whole thing in assembly language. Aside from the sarcasm above can you not grasp how your post is insulting? Have you dealt with peopl…

You're an idiot and you have no interest in changing that.

Re: Patio11's Law: The software economy is bigger than you think

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Post by youdonthavekids »

crimsonalucard wrote: post #410
thelibrarian wrote: post #170

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My point exactly.

So basically ERP is an app not far off from your standard domain specific web app that sits on top of a database. Why was this not mentioned before?

Wasn't mentioned before because nobody owes you an education and you've managed to massively oversimplify with your definition.

If you really want to boil it down to basics. It's a database, an application layer (usually Java) and a front end. It usually covers thousands upon thousands of business processes and is used by most large companies to manage the core of their business processes. The global economy would grind to a halt tomorrow if SAP or Oracle were to disapear.

Re: Patio11's Law: The software economy is bigger than you think

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Post by crimsonalucard »

youdonthavekids wrote: post #411
crimsonalucard wrote: post #409

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>TO rebuild SAP's manufacturing and finance capabilities into your own system would take many many years and cost large sums of money, you are then stuck supporting a custom solution forever and you'll be forever behind your competitors, your industry trends and whatever new tax or other legislation that needs adding to you system. I feel you build ERP systems. I feel that you're just trying to defend a life long car…

I used to implement ERP systems. I don't anymore. SAP released new IFRS tax compliance features last year to match the latest government regulations; they then gave this is over 4000 customers for free. It cost SAP around 1.2 million EURO to build, test and roll out. Are you saying that those 4000 customers (companies) should have just built their own tax compliance finance systems? That would have cost 4000 * 1.2 mi…

>You're advocating building massive software applications over using what's already available

When did I advocate this? You're pulling statements out of your ass.

>Are you saying that those 4000 customers (companies) should have just built their own tax compliance finance systems?

Let's kick that pea sized brain into gear. What the hell do you think the answer is to this question?

The answer is NO.

>That would have cost 4000 * 1.2 million which would be a total economic spend of four billion eight hundred million... how about you put your ego on the shelf and listen to other people?

There's your ludicrous and garbage logic. Who on the face of the fucking earth would think this?

It's not garbage logic or ludicrous. What you're doing here is crafting an insult and an attack and directing it at me.

Let's put it this way. I don't like you I don't want to communicate with you because you are a huge fucking ass hole.

Re: Patio11's Law: The software economy is bigger than you think

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Post by crimsonalucard »

youdonthavekids wrote: post #412
crimsonalucard wrote: post #407

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I can't even grasp how you can be so far off the mark. I kind of assumed most people on HN would understand large software platforms and how rolling your own is often not a worthwhile investment. Man I'm so stupid. I don't know how to be intelligent like you. Maybe I should write the whole thing in assembly language. Aside from the sarcasm above can you not grasp how your post is insulting? Have you dealt with peopl…

You're an idiot and you have no interest in changing that.

And you're a vile and horrible human being who doesn't know how to treat another person with respect.

You're a sack of shit.

Re: Patio11's Law: The software economy is bigger than you think

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Post by crimsonalucard »

youdonthavekids wrote: post #413
crimsonalucard wrote: post #410

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So basically ERP is an app not far off from your standard domain specific web app that sits on top of a database. Why was this not mentioned before?

Wasn't mentioned before because nobody owes you an education and you've managed to massively oversimplify with your definition. If you really want to boil it down to basics. It's a database, an application layer (usually Java) and a front end. It usually covers thousands upon thousands of business processes and is used by most large companies to manage the core of their business processes. The global economy would gr…

>Wasn't mentioned before because nobody owes you an education and you've managed to massively oversimplify with your definition.

Stop talking. Nobody gives a fucking shit about anything you have to say.

Re: Patio11's Law: The software economy is bigger than you think

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Post by youdonthavekids »

crimsonalucard wrote: post #415
youdonthavekids wrote: post #412

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're an idiot and you have no interest in changing that.

And you're a vile and horrible human being who doesn't know how to treat another person with respect. You're a sack of shit.

You're also vile. If you weren't vile you wouldn't call someone a sack of shit because they hurt your feelings on the internet. You've literally removed the humanity of someones father because you don't like how they spoke to you. That's the lowest you can go.

Re: Patio11's Law: The software economy is bigger than you think

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Post by bob33212 »

MattGaiser wrote: post #356
cosmodisk wrote: post #342

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I wrote a piece of code last year in probably no more than a few hours.Showed it to a few guys in my team.Instead of sharing my excitement,they were like "if you run this,what are we going to do then?". She was right,if I'd do it, the size of the team would be reduced by half.But then,what I'd get? Do I get a bonus the size of those employee's salary for 6 month? No.I'd get a grand or two and instead and a pat on a s…

Within the company, there is often no point. You want to be the guy selling it outside the company. You can easily claim tens of thousands for the same work then.

Management has to be ok with reducing headcount. You would think that all managers would be incentivized to made their groups more efficient but there is a high correlation between headcount and political power within an organization and people don't like to give that up for free.

Re: Patio11's Law: The software economy is bigger than you think

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Post by tripzilch »

NikolaNovak wrote: post #314
chasd00 wrote: post #285

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that happens a lot with enterprise software, too much customization and you end up painting yourself in a corner or run into roadblock after roadblock of platform gotchas. I do SF implementations these days and have seen it go great and have seen it turn into a total nightmare. however, not once have I ever heard of an SAP implementation going well. It's a massive undertaking and takes total commitment from so many d…

>>not once have I ever heard of an SAP implementation going well. Sometimes it depends who you ask; I found that hands-on people on the ground and SMEs tend to be very negative about it, for personally valid reasons - it's a lot of work, it doesn't go smoothly , and it disrupts and changes what and how they do it. However, there are quite a few ERP implementations where the top-level stakeholders feel the results are…

Now you're describing an implementation that is disruptive to the majority of employees "on the ground" and only worthwhile to the top-level stakeholders.

Only the top-level stakeholders felt the results were worthwhile the disruption and pain -- that they did not suffer.

But have you ever heard of one going well ?

As in, not just worthwhile to a tiny minority of the people on the top?

Yeah I bet it makes stuff more efficient, but clearly there's a disparity between the people suffering "disruptions and pain" and the ones who ultimately feel it has been worthwhile.

Re: Patio11's Law: The software economy is bigger than you think

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Post by tripzilch »

bregma wrote: post #265
NikolaNovak wrote: post #257

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Ah,I guess context would help - "The Beer Store" is Ontario's [Corrected From "Canada"] monopoly province-wide beer retail chain. You are absolutely right, a single retail store would not use such an ERP :)

Er, an Ontario-wide beer retail chain, owned by the province-wide beer wholesale monopoly, in turn owned by a cartel of foreign breweries. Let me guess, you live in Toronto?

> an Ontario-wide beer retail chain, owned by the province-wide beer wholesale monopoly, in turn owned by a cartel of foreign breweries.

good thing we have SAP to facilitate the development of large scale business, such as monopolies and cartels.

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